Cobalt SS vs. WRX?? Which one to buy - Page 10

BigAl3 · 10-30-08, 07:43

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STI - Long-Term Road Test Update/Long-Term Road Tests/Car Shopping/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

Picus · 10-30-08, 07:46

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Originally Posted by TH0001

If it is dark blue with red interior I'll take it (kind of like that lighter blue Testarossa you detailed). Also I don't care about swirls because I pay a neighbor hood 15 dollars a week to wash my cars so they are VERY swirled (also makes for great test beds for polishing

One of the reasons I am considering the Cobalt is because I am hoping that the fact it is a domestic and not cool will keep those type of kids away. I mean its not cool guys, it IS a Cobalt.

Haha. Funny guy.

Srsly though, that car will get you revved at non-stop. Well, it would here.

RedlineIRL · 10-30-08, 08:07

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Originally Posted by MASKDMARVL

My point again Im not a Subie guy at all but if I had to choose Foreign vs domstic ANYTHING The choice is SIMPLE. Domestic vehicles are 10 year 100,000 mile cars and thats all. They have an extremely high turnover rate, They litter the junk yards, They keep repair shops in business. Thats just the truth ! Go to your local junk yard and look for yourself How many Cavilier's do you see, Beretta's, Corsica's, The focus, Transam's, Impalla's, S10's, Buick's, Oldsmobiles, Regal's, Fords, Just about the whole domestic line can be found their. For 2 reasons. They dont last, and because they need parts for the ones still running that continue to break down. As you walked tough that junkyard how many Hondas did you see ? how about VWs. The choice is simple, do you want a car that you'll need to put tons of cash in when it ages ? if so just spend it now and buy the 3 series.

If domestics suck so bad then why do you have a Mustang in your avatar? Let me guess, you must be in the 16-19 age range and grew up watching the Fast and the Furious line of movies.

SuperBuick · 10-31-08, 05:00

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Originally Posted by MASKDMARVL

My point again Im not a Subie guy at all but if I had to choose Foreign vs domstic ANYTHING The choice is SIMPLE. Domestic vehicles are 10 year 100,000 mile cars and thats all. They have an extremely high turnover rate, They litter the junk yards, They keep repair shops in business. Thats just the truth ! Go to your local junk yard and look for yourself How many Cavilier's do you see, Beretta's, Corsica's, The focus, Transam's, Impalla's, S10's, Buick's, Oldsmobiles, Regal's, Fords, Just about the whole domestic line can be found their. For 2 reasons. They dont last, and because they need parts for the ones still running that continue to break down. As you walked tough that junkyard how many Hondas did you see ? how about VWs. The choice is simple, do you want a car that you'll need to put tons of cash in when it ages ? if so just spend it now and buy the 3 series.

And bad paint doesnt warrant junk yard. His perfession is fixing bad paint. So how is this usefull ?

Unfortunately for you, one of my endurance racing teammates owns not one, not two, not three, but FOUR junkyards. There is absolutely no correlation between your "observations" and the truth. If anything they get more japanese cars because they rust out earlier (this according to him). Also, like Todd said, it is very demographically driven. In the northeast, folks tend to drive more imports, and as a result, you see more of those in junkyards. I just picked up a window switch for an Acura from him yesterday (for a friend).

Also, its the european cars that keep the shops in business. (tongue in cheek, many/most are very reliable) Our 2001 porsche has had, literally, 4x the repairs that our 2003 Jeep has had. The porsche has 35k miles, the Jeep 125k miles. So I guess, based on this TINY sample size, all porsches are crap, and Jeep is the best brand ever?

Being loyal to one type or brand of car is dumb, and so is generalizing that ALL of ANY type of car is/are better than ALL of another.

Bottom line is what was said earlier - the WRX and the Cobalt are BOTH great cars, and both have plusses, and minuses. Todd's job, as he knows, is to drive them and decide which set of positives better aligns with his taste. If you and others would totally ignore a car because it was American (or European, or Japanese), then you've just limited yourself based on foolish assumptions that are 100% incorrect.

MASKDMARVL · 10-31-08, 05:34

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Originally Posted by RedlineIRL

If domestics suck so bad then why do you have a Mustang in your avatar? Let me guess, you must be in the 16-19 age range and grew up watching the Fast and the Furious line of movies.

Actually 42 and I do enjoy the muscle cars. That happens to be Elenor. I can enjoy a 69 Camaro, 67 Mustang, Judge, even a Corvair ! How about that ? These cars are money pits, Hobbies. Not the fast and furious, but I grew up driving a 73 Chevelle to school. can you imagine that ? Im not even interested in persuading Todd on what to buy, but more into the arguement over dom vs imp. I just find it difficult to see the Cobalt any different than the Cavilier, Sunfire. Its GMs attempt at the youth market !

MASKDMARVL · 10-31-08, 05:39

I also heard the Cobalt seats 4 comfortably. no ? Thats practical as hell.

MASKDMARVL · 10-31-08, 05:41

Todd im sorry for steering your thread. I did keep the debate within your lines Cobalt, or WRX. I hope it made for some interesting reading.

Cleaning Fool · 10-31-08, 07:16

The Cobalts value will drop like an anchor when you drive it off the lot. Subaru, easy choice really..

rydawg · 10-31-08, 08:45

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Originally Posted by Cleaning Fool

The Cobalts value will drop like an anchor when you drive it off the lot. Subaru, easy choice really..

So true. If I was to have a choice between only these two, it would be the Subaru. The resale and demand is very good for a used WRX.

1985MB380SE · 11-03-08, 10:34

I've only read the 1st and last page, but did anyone suggest the VW GTI/GLI (GLI is a Jetta body version of the GTI)? Or the Mitsu Evo?

All the previous comparo's I've read have said the Evo is much more fun to drive than the STi (let alone the regular WRX) - and the new Evo looks so much better than the new WRX

askjeffro · 11-03-08, 11:49

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Originally Posted by askjeffro

I bought an '08 WRX, which as you mentioned the '09 has some nice improvements.

I like the car fine and was really my only choice as I had to have AWD in the mountains. I shortly debated betweent the WRX and the MazdaSpeed3 until coming to that conclusion.

Given this is a detailing forum, my biggest piece of information for you is the paint on the Subaru's absolutely sucks. I hate to dog the car, but because I do like it and the company, but the paint was far worse then I ever could have imagined.

My car currently has less then 7500 miles on it and it already has chips in the paint on the hood that are rusting, yes rusting. The chips went all the way to the sheet metal. For comparison, I have a Ford Focus (Another econobox car) with 110k in the same climate, no rust and no chips like I can already find on my WRX. Additionally we had a Jeep Cherokee with 130k (which we sold and got the WRX) who's paint was just fine on the same roads, weather, etc. (Albeit the Jeep is higher off the ground)

Anyway, don't take my word for it:
Subaru's awesome paint

Other then the paint, the car has been good to us. If you get an '09 you should be pretty good to go from a performance perspective, but there of course plenty of mods. If you can find an '08 on a lot you might be able to get a really solid deal. The '08s can be upgraded to similiar performance and feel of the '09s very easily. however voiding parts of your warranty)

Happy to answer any questions.

Just quoting myself, my post got approved recently, wanted to make sure it was read.

GeorgesBlazah · 11-05-08, 09:42

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Originally Posted by MASKDMARVL

Actually 42 and I do enjoy the muscle cars. That happens to be Elenor. I can enjoy a 69 Camaro, 67 Mustang, Judge, even a Corvair ! How about that ? These cars are money pits, Hobbies. Not the fast and furious, but I grew up driving a 73 Chevelle to school. can you imagine that ? Im not even interested in persuading Todd on what to buy, but more into the arguement over dom vs imp. I just find it difficult to see the Cobalt any different than the Cavilier, Sunfire. Its GMs attempt at the youth market !

Newsflash! The car in your avatar is not "Eleanor".

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Originally Posted by MASKDMARVL

I also heard the Cobalt seats 4 comfortably. no ? Thats practical as hell.

Its a compact 4 door car. What kind of people are you trying to fit in there?

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Originally Posted by Cleaning Fool

The Cobalts value will drop like an anchor when you drive it off the lot. Subaru, easy choice really..

This is the truth, however if he is planning on holding onto the car for a while it wont make of a difference if/when he sells.

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Originally Posted by 1985MB380SE

I've only read the 1st and last page, but did anyone suggest the VW GTI/GLI (GLI is a Jetta body version of the GTI)? Or the Mitsu Evo?

All the previous comparo's I've read have said the Evo is much more fun to drive than the STi (let alone the regular WRX) - and the new Evo looks so much better than the new WRX

Out of the three I would go with the VW. I have driven a new Jetta and while it wasnt the high performance model, it was still fun to drive and had an overall nice feel to it.