Paint Darkening = Cheap Chemical Staining, Comments?

[Gen2]

Hi guys, I would really like to hear your opinions on this topic. It all started when some one in our local forum asking for products that can darken the car color and this is what I replied to him,

From all the products I used, Clearkote RMG + Victoria Concours Red Wax will give you the best darkening effect, IMO.

Subsequently, Mr S (another member in the forum) posted a reply to me saying,
beware of products that darken your paint...it merely contains cheap chemicals that stains your clearcoat...no magic formulations that's god send for all us detailers

My reply,
That's something new, I suggest why not you do a posting in Autopia (where many detailing experts are over there) regarding this issue, saying products like Pinnacle, Zymol, Swissvax, Clearkote and so on are using cheap chemicals that stain the paint. I will be very interested to see the replies and learn from the posting.

His reply,
you have something to add or have you ever worked with any chemists or asked them how some of the wax do darken the paint while some don't? I have and that's what I was told...hmmm maybe my chemists must have lied to me? (which is entirely possible) Surely there must be some dark space-age wax manufacturing techniques or you must have know something that I'm too shallow to know, right? Maybe you can shared with us something I don't already know then perhaps we don't have to be asked to refer to Autopia for eveything you don't have facts for or you just cannot understand...huh??? Is that all your detailing knowledge are limited to...whatever is written on Autopia? Something like..."Scottwax is using Cyclo orbital so it must be damm good, right?"

These are the exact postings that were posted in our forum and some of the later postings have gone slightly off topic from what we are going to discuss here today. So does anyone knows is there any true to this statement,

beware of products that darken your paint...it merely contains cheap chemicals that stains your clearcoat...

Any input will be much appreciated, thanks.

[BlueZero]

If they stain the clear coat, what color do they stain it? My black turns darker black, so it must stain in a dark color, but my red also turn darker red. If I use the same wax on white shouldn't it then turn gray or maybe pink. Maybe the wax is made from ground up chameleons and just knows what color to change.

Just random thoughts. I don't put much faith in anyone who defends his facts by being argumentative rather than providing real proof.

I'm sure someone else will chime in with some facts. I'm not a chemist so I don't have a clue.

[Coupe]

That guy is a moron.

As far as darkening paint or giving that affect ive found most carnuabas do this. Some call it *richening* the color of the paint and some call it *darkening* the paint. Obviuosly it isnt permanent and as soon as the wax wears off it wont have a rich/dark look anymore.

Megs #26 is very very very good at darkening/richening the appearance of paint for example.

[Alfisti]

Megs waxes darkening paint is almost their signature. Whenever I've used them the effect fades after some time. Nothing permanent there.

[94BlkStang]

Hi guys, I would really like to hear your opinions on this topic. It all started when some one in our local forum asking for products that can darken the car color and this is what I replied to him,

From all the products I used, Clearkote RMG + Victoria Concours Red Wax will give you the best darkening effect, IMO.

Subsequently, Mr S (another member in the forum) posted a reply to me saying,
beware of products that darken your paint...it merely contains cheap chemicals that stains your clearcoat...no magic formulations that's god send for all us detailers

My reply,
That's something new, I suggest why not you do a posting in Autopia (where many detailing experts are over there) regarding this issue, saying products like Pinnacle, Zymol, Swissvax, Clearkote and so on are using cheap chemicals that stain the paint. I will be very interested to see the replies and learn from the posting.

His reply,
you have something to add or have you ever worked with any chemists or asked them how some of the wax do darken the paint while some don't? I have and that's what I was told...hmmm maybe my chemists must have lied to me? (which is entirely possible) Surely there must be some dark space-age wax manufacturing techniques or you must have know something that I'm too shallow to know, right? Maybe you can shared with us something I don't already know then perhaps we don't have to be asked to refer to Autopia for eveything you don't have facts for or you just cannot understand...huh??? Is that all your detailing knowledge are limited to...whatever is written on Autopia? Something like..."Scottwax is using Cyclo orbital so it must be damm good, right?"

These are the exact postings that were posted in our forum and some of the later postings have gone slightly off topic from what we are going to discuss here today. So does anyone knows is there any true to this statement,

beware of products that darken your paint...it merely contains cheap chemicals that stains your clearcoat...

Any input will be much appreciated, thanks.

wow, someone has some carnuba stuck up their rear. What forum is this from?

[Deenice21]

Scottwax is World Famous!!!! can you autograph my bottle of opti-seal when you are finished with the cyclo

[Coupe]

I was just thinkin about something.
Ya know most of the chemicals used in ANY detailing product is cheap, i mean really really cheap.
What makes products expensive is the manucturing, packageing and the name. Advertising and shipping also play a big role.

Products arent expensive becuase of the chemicals used.

[violentveedub]

Ya know most of the chemicals used in ANY detailing product is cheap, i mean really really cheap.

100%

Window cleaners are mostly water, hell... that's free (if you know where to look).

[Gen2]

If they stain the clear coat, what color do they stain it? My black turns darker black, so it must stain in a dark color, but my red also turn darker red. If I use the same wax on white shouldn't it then turn gray or maybe pink. Maybe the wax is made from ground up chameleons and just knows what color to change.

Just random thoughts. I don't put much faith in anyone who defends his facts by being argumentative rather than providing real proof.

I'm sure someone else will chime in with some facts. I'm not a chemist so I don't have a clue.

My thoughts exactly, but same as you, I am no chemist nor do I have any first hand information on it too. Thanks for the input so far and hopefully we will hear more comment on this .

[jfelbab]

The darkening effect that some product display are caused by the way they reflect and refract light, not anything in them that stains your clear-coat or the paint surface. This guy is a person to ignore.

[SpoiledMan]

......tested out a lab sample last weekend and ......

Be careful with lab samples around here. They bring about RABID discussion.

[Alfisti]

Just wait till you try the new stuff that's coming out. I tested out a lab sample last weekend and it's even darker then #26. I hope to play with it some more this weekend.

What are you permitted to tell us about it...apart from its darkening effect?