Issues today on a SUV I've done 4 times before.

[a.k.a. Patrick]

So I show up this morning to detail this 00 Escalade (black). Underneath the dirt, the swirls were evident. Nothing major, just the typical wash and dry induced from the corner scratch and dashes. Ive done this car 4, maybe 5 times before, so i wasnt expecting any issues I hadnt encountered before. 1st on the block, and new to me, was 1Z PP. I didnt know what to expect, so I went lightly with a green pad. Left to right, top to bottom, then left to right again. I did notice some dusting which was an immediate turn off, but Im spoiled, so i didnt let it ruin my evaluation. I wiped it clean (rather had my sons wipe while I polished) and to my utter amazement, swirls were 95% gone! BUT, there was some hazing. No big deal right? Well, i thought i would clean that up with some Optimum PS. So after hitting the area with the PS and green pad, I took a brief look at it while the sun was still partially shining on it. All looked great, so i carried on, and did the entire SUV, starting at the roof, hood, then I ran a circle around it with the PC, Green pad, and PS. All the while, my two boys worked on wheels, and tires, and interior. About 3 hrs later, after all was wiped down, and the interior was completed and double checked, i said, "Well, lets take it out into the street and take a REAL look at it." So I drove it out into the street where the sun was shining full bore, got out, and took a better look.
My first response was "*** is that?" All over the verticals, were ghosts and hallograms. Now this is only the second time I have used Opt PS. The first time was about 2 weeks ago while doing a Toyota Avalon, another black one. I had the same exact results, but attributed it to a possible dirty pad.
So, now Im totally confused. How could such a light polish, create a monster? I went over it again feeling rather confidant a new green pad, and Optimum compound would do the trick, as it has so many times before for me. I then proceded applying FS UPPS. Another hr in, i took it out into the sun again, ready to feel a sigh of relief. I get out, my son says "Dad"? Right then I knew it still needed work. I took a look, and sure as ****, it didnt do the trick.
So now Im getting rather frustrated and pissed, because time is money, and I still had the Porsche to detail. "What could I possibly use now to get out this marring?" So , out with the Optimum polish, and another new green pad. I did one door, took it out in the sun, and took a look. Wallah, I finally got it, all was well. Swirls, marring were gone. back in the driveway, ran a circle around it, and had one of the boy take some FS UPPS to it.
The owner calls me up this evening (She left when I started on the Porsche) and asks how much she owes, and informs me the Escalade looks fabulous. (Theres that sigh of relief I was waiting for)
Anyone ever had any issues like this?

[mikebai1990]

I'm not too familiar with Edge pads, so I have to ask how aggressive the green pads are? I thought that usually when working with polishes, one should use aggressive pads and then work down to finishing pads to remove the swirls. It seems like in your process you only used one type of pad. Is this a possible cause?

[a.k.a. Patrick]

This isnt a green Edge. Ive used this Green pad many, many times before for light polishes with no issues. Im totally confused on this one......

[mikebai1990]

Oh, my fault I have no knowledge of pads except for Lake Country pads. As you can see, just started out with machine polishing

[efinirx7gt]

Sounds like a similar problem I had. I polished my car with 1z Metallic Polish and after I took it out to look in direct sunlight it was swirl free. So I continued to apply Duragloss 105 sealant and after the final wipe down I took my car back out and SWIRLS! So afterwards I repolished an area with 1z mp and applied 105 again and no change. So I switched to sonous sfx-2 as it doesn't contain any fillers and polished a panel then topped it of with dg 105 and a sigh of relief, perfection.

From my analysis, it seems like 1Z polish contains alot of fillers and using sythetic polymers removes "the fillers". Even though I love 1z mp, if I'm going to use a sealant on top I would opt for another polish.

[a.k.a. Patrick]

My issue is with the Optimum PoliSeal actually............The 1Z was great.

[gbackus]

Originally Posted by a.k.a. Patrick

My issue is with the Optimum PoliSeal actually............The 1Z was great.

I think what the previous poster was getting at is that the poli seal was removing all the fillers that the 1Z left. 1Z products have a lot more fillers(very robust ones at that) than people give it credit for, that a simple IPA wipedown will not reveal, AND they can last several months.

[toyotaguy]

hmmm i have that problem with megs 66 and a yellow megs pad on the PC for some reason....cant figure it out either...fine on a pontiac, but ghosts and hollograms on a BMW???? what is that??

[David Fermani]

Originally Posted by a.k.a. Patrick

So , out with the Optimum polish, and another new green pad. I did one door, took it out in the sun, and took a look. Wallah, I finally got it, all was well. Swirls, marring were gone.

What's the chances of the the swirls/marring coming back after the 1st wash job? Are they really gone or just playing peek-a-boo?

[a.k.a. Patrick]

Well, Im assuming if Optimum polish has filling ability, so would the Compound. But I could be wrong.
This is only an issue with the PS, as both times Ive used it (on black) i've experienced identical situations...Never with either the Compound or Polish..
Im really perplexed....I'll have to call Optimum early next week.....

[David Fermani]

Here's the 06 Black Escalade I did a few months back. I think the finish on these things are just like a Corvette.

Before:


After:

[krouchchocolate]

damn i don't even know how you guys can do this for a living. I detailed my car today and WOW it was so tiring. I am still not done with it. I am going to apply another coat of klasse SG tomorrow morning. My arm is so sore!