Waterless = the future of the industry?

[Heathenbrewing]

Originally Posted by Danase

I can't see ever giving up my hose though. Some times you just need that extra blast to get some of the bad stuff off.

Not to mention the safety (lubrication) factor of water.

I feel that over time, QEDs and waterless washes would cause more paint wear than the traditional method. Not saying its fact, just my opinion.

[Danase]

Originally Posted by Heathenbrewing

Not to mention the safety (lubrication) factor of water.

I feel that over time, QEDs and waterless washes would cause more paint wear than the traditional method. Not saying its fact, just my opinion.

The rinse-less car washes will usually give more lubrication than water anyway.

I actually should have something in in the next couple of weeks that will aid in the cleaning of the car without needing extra water.

[Setec Astronomy]

Originally Posted by Heathenbrewing

Not to mention the safety (lubrication) factor of water.

I feel that over time, QEDs and waterless washes would cause more paint wear than the traditional method. Not saying its fact, just my opinion.

That must be the old Roman version of a rinseless wash...anyway...I think we're really talking about rinseless washes that use water (QEW, ONR, DP 4n1) as opposed to waterless washes like Pb's S&W and CG's Pro-Detailer, etc.

[Heathenbrewing]

Originally Posted by Danase

The rinse-less car washes will usually give more lubrication than water anyway....

I should have said soapy water. It seems that the sheer volume of soapy water flowing from a hose would offer more protection than the ounces you may be using with a QED.

[Heathenbrewing]

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

That must be the old Roman version of a rinseless wash...anyway...I think we're really talking about rinseless washes that use water (QEW, ONR, DP 4n1) as opposed to waterless washes like Pb's S&W and CG's Pro-Detailer, etc.

Ahhh....Im still working on all the terminology.

[Scottwax]

Originally Posted by Heathenbrewing

I should have said soapy water. It seems that the sheer volume of soapy water flowing from a hose would offer more protection than the ounces you may be using with a QED.

You'd think but you'd be wrong. Seriously. I've been using rinseless washes more than 13 years now and I am far less likely to miss any areas (soapy water can obscure dirty sections so you may miss some areas of the panel) and end up with drying streaks. I feel far safer using ONR on soft paint than I do with traditional washing.

And yes, I was a huge skeptic the first time I tried QEW many years ago.

[Heathenbrewing]

Hmm...Im going to have to do some more research on the subject then....interesting.

[Heathenbrewing]

Originally Posted by Heathenbrewing

Hmm...Im going to have to do some more research on the subject then....interesting.

Back from the dead thread.....

Well, for the past few months I have been using ONR and my final thoughts....




A fantastic, safe product! Heres a review I did on another site:

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I am no longer allowed to use a hose when washing my box in my new apartment. After some initial hesitation, I decided to look into Optimum No Rinse. I read reviews of it on the autopia forum, I saw it in action on youtube. I took the plunge.

I have to admit I was very, VERY skeptical about using this product, since I'm so used to the regular hose and multi-bucket wash. But, thanks to the folks on autopia (bunch of brain-washers I decided to give it a try. I followed the instructions on the bottle of ONR as they said, 1 oz of ONR into 2 gallons of H2O. You can even make your own QD with it as well. It does cost about $40 for the gallon, shipped, but that will give you about 120 washes. It comes in smallervolumes as well.

I started doing one panel at a time from top to bottom. I couldn't believe the slickness this product has, and how easy was to glide around using a sheepskin mitt. I did the roof, glass, hood, upper and lower sides, then the trunk and bumpers. I do fill up a spray bottle from my wash bucket to spray on the paint as a sort of pre-treatment. I do a single swipe on the lower sides to loosen what I consider the dirtiest part of the car. Then grab another MF sponge for another pass and finish with a clean MF towel to dry. I end up using about 8 MF towels to dry, and I clean and dry 1 section at a time. At the end of all this, it was like it was like when I used my regular 4 bucket method, but with a lot less water, less clean-up and a lot faster!

Final about this product: AWESOME! I still recommend it only when the car is well maintained. I know some people push the limits and beyond of this product, but I'm in the safe side of everything, so I'll only do it on clean to light/medium dirty cars. Highly recommend it and super easy to use! Even my car duster glides over the paint easier now.

Believe me, I am extremely an@l when it comes to protecting my paint. ONR is high quality and 100% safe.

[Flashtime]

Although the city inspector hasn't come by lately, i'm not suppose to be washing
cars in my shop (San Fernando Valley, CA). I sitll do, but sparingly. ONR sounds
like the ticket. And seeing how some of the pros do well with it, i should too. It's
sounds efficient, cost effective and environmentally sound. Just need a good
local supplier. Or maybe i'll become one... Hmm... :wink:

[Scottwax]

Originally Posted by Flashtime

Although the city inspector hasn't come by lately, i'm not suppose to be washing
cars in my shop (San Fernando Valley, CA). I sitll do, but sparingly. ONR sounds
like the ticket. And seeing how some of the pros do well with it, i should too. It's
sounds efficient, cost effective and environmentally sound. Just need a good
local supplier. Or maybe i'll become one... Hmm... :wink:

At the very least, in the absence of water restrictions, ONR would still be a great way to wash the car after compounding.

[backwoods_lex]

The money you save when using it for QD purposes is amazing. I stopped buying the purple bottles at $5 a pop a while ago.

[rwisejr]

I really see these types of washes becoming more of the norm with all of the environmental restrictions being passed and the states that have the water restrictions as well.The rinse less wash are so easy and just make sense. So much less cleanup and just so plain easy to use.On an extremely dirty car I just mix up a batch in a 1 gallon chemical sprayer and pre soak the body ,wheel wells and rims and tires and go from there.I was a skeptic too.But I always see that Scottwax and several others that I have high regards for was using this exclusively with great success and gave it a whirl .Now I wish I would have tried it sooner.