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Old 12-18-06, 11:18   #1 (permalink)
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Which 3M products should I use?

Well after being pleased with the 3M products that I used for my slightly used '06 Tundra, I have decided to go with this line to detail my sister's Tundra that is white also. The car is maybe 2 or 3 years old and has moderate oxidation from being neglected. Could someone please recommend what 3M products would work best in this situation?

I'm looking to head out now so if you could reply asap that would be great. Thanks for the help.
 
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Old 12-18-06, 11:44   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

80439 and 50077
 
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Old 12-18-06, 09:07   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

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80439 and 50077
Thanks for the response although I didn't get to read it until just now. I'm still not done with the truck yet. I will go back tomorrow and finish, but the sections that I did do I used 3M PI II with an orange pad followed with 3M finishing material on a white pad. This seems to be working rather nicely for me.

btw, I'm not familiar with the numeric designations for the 3M products. Which products do the above numbers you posted refer to?
 
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Old 12-19-06, 01:33   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

Ohh sorry, but now I realise that you donīt have this 3M line over in America.

This is the newest products for cars with harder clears, extra fine cut and super fine (hologram remover).
 
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Old 12-19-06, 06:15   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

NONE, they are not that great and they dust like no tomorrow.
 
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

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NONE, they are not that great and they dust like no tomorrow.
I'd have to disagree with you partially. From my experience, 3m has perhaps been the best line that I have used so far. I haven't used all that many (Poorboys, Menzerna, Sonus and Optimum compound) products yet, but 3M is at the top of the list from the ones that I have.

It does dust though, but as long as I get the desired results I don't really mind much.
 
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

The new line from 3M is very good, IMO almost as good as Menzerna. But Menzerna is cheaper then 3M here in Sweden, so I go for Menzerna.
 
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Old 12-20-06, 05:52   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

3M is readily available at CarQuest stores - they have a pretty extensive line of products and reasonbly priced.
 
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Old 12-20-06, 05:57   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

I recently tried out 3M Perfect-It III Fine Cut and the Imperial Machine glaze (though Im led to believe that the range available in the US is different from the UK...) and I have to say I was impressed with them. In my eyes, not quite as good as Menzerna that is my staple polishes, but still very good... here's my thoughts that I posted on a UK forum:

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Many thanks to Breezy on the forum for sending me samples of 3M Perfect-It III Fine Cut Compound and 3M Imperial Machine Glaze to try out. I have spent a few happy hours this afternoon trying these two products out on both rotary and PC with various application techniques and I have to say I am impressed with them overall.


Rotary

First of all, the panel was given its traditional (for my product experiments) wire wool wash!:



In order to remove these, I went for the Perfect-It III Fine Cut Compound applied by rotary using a Meguiars W8006 Polishing pad. The compound is a thick white consistency, reminds me quite a lot of Menz Intensive Polish in this respect.

One thing that became clear from the outset using this product was the time taken to break down - this product has a long work time . Inital playing around, using speeds up to 1500rpm (spread at 600, two passes at 1200, several at 1500, finish at 900) removed the defects satisfactorily, however if the polish was not thoroughly worked then (as with all polishes), faint hologramming was resulting:



Playing around with this compound though, I found that I actually got better defect removal from it, and broke it down more effectively by raising the speed up to 2000rpm. They way I settled on, well the way that worked best for me personally, was spread at 600rpm, a couple of passes at 1200rpm and then seven or eight passes at 2000rpm and then finish at 1200rpm for two passes, with the following result:



The finish appeared hologram free, defects effectively removed. The product seemed to have a cut quite similar to Megs #83 and Intensive Polish, or at least it felt like it did. The finish for me was good, not quite as clear as that left my Menz IP PO85RD3.01, or the clarity of the Menz Final Finishes but still a good finish...

It doesn't stop there though, as to further refine and add wettness to the finish, there is the Imperial Machine Glaze. This I applied using a Meguiars W9006 Finishing Pad. The product was a hot chocolate colour, and quite thin consistency and reminded me a lot of Meguiars #3. I applied it in a similar way too and it worked effectively - spread at 600rpm, couple of passes at 900rpm, and five or six passes at 1200-1500rpm, finish with a couple at 900rpm. The results:



This increased the clarity of the finish under the Brinkmann, and coupled with the Fine Cut compound above these two products would make an effective polishing pair for work by rotary IMHO. The key to them was to ensrure they are thoroughly broken down and this takes quite a while, they do have quite a long play time on them. The wettness of the finish was also good:



For me, the finish was as deep or glossy as one finished with Meguiars #7, or as crystal clear as one finished with Menzerna PO85RD Final Finish, but the finish was still very good. In fact, I am impressed with these products.


Porter Cable

Right, out with the DA now, and wash the panel again with wire wool:



Again, a Meguiars W8006 Polishing pad was used by PC. I spread the Fine Cut Compound on speed 3, then made three passes at speed 5 and followed with eight or nine passes at speed 6. This polish did take a long time to break down and for the residue to go clear on the PC, very similar to the breaking down of IP3.01. The residue wipe away cleanly but I got a little surprise at this stage - a hologram??:



Looking more closely, this appeared to be micromarring, quite similar to what you wouuld see from a product like Menzerna Power Gloss:



Now, after playing aorund in the summer, I was finding that by PC a great many polishes leave micromarring to an extent and only the rotary was capable of achieving a finish approaching crystal clarity... Again here, I was noticing this kind of very light marring from the Fine Cut, using multiple methods of application (the above got the best results).

The majority of the defects were cleared, only deeper ones remained, though by PC the micromarring was noticeable: definitely more noticeable than Intensive Polish for example. However, this is a compound with what seems to be a fairly strong cut judging by the defect removal achieved so a degree of micromarring was to be expected and as discussed previously, very very light micromarring appears to be par for the course when using a free rotation DA like the Porter Cable.

So, onto the Imperial Glaze to refine the finish. Spread on speed 3, and then about ten passes on speed 5, and then the residue was removed with a mf towel. The results:



The finish was improved on the above, but close inspection reveaed that still a small degree of micromarring was remaining - this would likely be un-noticeable in the majority of paints, especially metallics but on solid dark colours this would have to be a consideration. Take nothing away from the products here though, defects were very effectively removed and as the pic below shows, a nice deep and glossy shine was achieved:




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Summary

After initial playing around with this pair of 3M products, I am impressed with them. The products have a good play time to them, break down effectively (especially on the rotary) and are very effective defect removers. The quality of the finish is good, they are easy to use and residues wipe away with ease. For me, these products are most certainly competitive up against he likes of Menzerna and Meguiars, though I still personally lean towards Menzerna owing to the greater clarity I can personally achieve in the finish from the products. Certainly I would not overlook the 3M gear tho.



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Old 12-20-06, 06:38   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

If you want to get a finish close to Menzerna 106FF...try the 3M SRC polish...I do not know product number..but I got a sample of it from local body shop..and I have to say it does come very very close to the Menzerna finish results

I have used both the SRC and 106FF and they both work so close to each other....they dust a little as known..but the trade off for the final results is worth it...

What I was wondering is if you mixed say 1 oz of OP to 4 oz of either SCR or 106FF if you would get a longer working time and less dust...and if you would lessen the final results if you mixed....

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I keep reading about comments referring to "working time" of polishes. From what I gather it seems as if a longer one is desired, but I have no idea why. What are the benefits of a polish having a longer working time?
 
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Re: Which 3M products should I use?

3M have 3 SRC polishes wich are very good, but I prefere Menzerna(cheaper and longer working time)

50077 Heavy cut
80439 Extra fine cut
50383 anti hologram
 
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