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09-21-06, 07:23
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Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: VIR Road Course, Va Posts: 5,687 | Patrick,
I totally agree with using a dedicated product for the task we are discussing and I would expect no less from professional detailer like yourself and others on this forum.
Nevertheless, for the hobbyist that may only need a once or twice a year oil/grease/polysiloxane removal form their paint, a household, easy-to-use, safe and inexpensive available OTC product like Dawn is okay.
There is no question that dedicated degreasers are FAR more efficient and effective.
Dawn or any dish detergent should NEVER be used as a chronic vehicle washing agent.
I believe we are all in agreement about this statement.
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09-21-06, 11:43
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Put it to rest for awhile! | |
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09-22-06, 05:37
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09-22-06, 08:56
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#64 (permalink)
| | Time's a-wastin',speedy!
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Originally Posted by Oxygen beating up a dead horse. | 
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09-22-06, 09:15
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09-22-06, 09:31
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| | "That ball wasn't low"
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Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: VIR Road Course, Va Posts: 5,687 | If you got the info you needed, you can delete the thread. You are the initiator. 
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09-22-06, 09:36
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Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thousand Oaks, Ca Posts: 4,519 | Quote: |
Originally Posted by blkZ28Conv Patrick,
I totally agree with using a dedicated product for the task we are discussing and I would expect no less from professional detailer like yourself and others on this forum.
Nevertheless, for the hobbyist that may only need a once or twice a year oil/grease/polysiloxane removal form their paint, a household, easy-to-use, safe and inexpensive available OTC product like Dawn is okay.
There is no question that dedicated degreasers are FAR more efficient and effective.
Dawn or any dish detergent should NEVER be used as a chronic vehicle washing agent.
I believe we are all in agreement about this statement. | Agreed, and I'am "rifinito"!
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09-23-06, 03:43
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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy Oh yeah, that's right, car washes don't have additives or sheeting agents in them...
From the Meg's GC blurb: "...designed to both wash and condition paint in one easy step. The premium formula gently foams away tough dirt, road grime and contaminants without compromising wax protection. Ultra rich paint conditioners clear away debris..."
From #62: "...formula contains conditioning agents and paint nutrients to provide sparkling streak-free results."
From the DP Xtreme Foam Formula bottle: "...packed with lubricating oils...The clean-rinsing formula..."
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There's quite a difference between paint conditioning agents, and skin conditioning agents... Quote: |
It's amazing how companies waste money on all those big-shot executives and huge marketing/PR departments, because it's obvious from your statement that consumers can't be influenced by advertising or the like...
| Geez, I'm not saying that people can't be influenced. But I'm asking how you can consider it marketing, that P&G is telling people NOT to use their product for washing cars?? It makes no sense! If anything their statement would make people buy dedicated car wash soap from Mothers, Meguiar's or another car care company. Ooh great marketing, make people buy products from other companies  Well, I guess this "marketing" works on you since you are using the product in the same way P&G are trying to tell people not to... | |
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09-23-06, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Zet ...But I'm asking how you can consider it marketing, that P&G is telling people NOT to use their product for washing cars?? It makes no sense! If anything their statement would make people buy dedicated car wash soap from Mothers, Meguiar's or another car care company. Ooh great marketing, make people buy products from other companies Well, I guess this "marketing" works on you since you are using the product in the same way P&G are trying to tell people not to... | Their may or may not be marking involved, but P&G did not optimize dawn for car washing even though it may be very suitable for this task. Even if Dawn is a terrific product for washing cars, I'm sure P&G would rather have customers buy their more expensive products dedicated to the task at hand (i.e. Mr. Clean AutoDry Carwash system) as opposed to buying a product that's much less expensive. P&G will market them accordingly. There are plenty of companies out there who will try to steer consumers to a specific product with a much higher price tag that may only be marginally better or in fact the same as one of their other products but under a different label when they can get away with it. It's done all the time in many different industries. | |
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09-23-06, 07:03
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Setec Astronomy is online now Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,667 | Quote: |
Originally Posted by Zet Well, I guess this "marketing" works on you since you are using the product in the same way P&G are trying to tell people not to... | Actually, I don't think I've ever used Dawn, or any dishwashing detergent to wash a car. I was "brainwashed" by the car wash companies 30 years or so ago to use car wash solution on cars, but as we have gone over (and over, and over) some of us (including me) have used decon systems, prepsol, etc. on our cars, and it's kind of laughable to be afraid of Dawn after that.
I think Patrick hit it on the head as to why P&G advises against using Dawn for washing cars: LIABILITY. P&G has deep pockets and the last thing they need is some yo-yo who has a 15 yo car with the paint peeling off decide to wash it with Dawn and then blame that for the paint failure.
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