Klasse AIO Mix QD Spray - Home Brew

[Lost Pup]

I was interested in the thread about the Klasse AIO home mix QD spray so I decided to try it.

One oz of AIO mixed with water in a spray bottle. I do have a drinking water filter available so I used that to fill the 20 oz. spray bottle. A good shake and off I go. Two MF towels from Yosteve.com, one for initial wipe and the second for the buff. I did a panel at a time and was done in 30 minutes. It is a Ford 2002 Screw. I would guess I used about 2 oz from the bottle so I have 9 or 10 more details left.

It worked perfectly. I am extremely happy with the results. All of the panels cleared quickly and spot-free with a nice gloss.

I don't know how much this really adds to the life of the first AIO/SG application but I will monitor it and report back to the group.

FYI

[puterbum]

But if you keep using this stuff it will eat off the layers of SG that you have on your car. AIO contains chemical cleaners that will eat wax or sealant off of your paint.

Try searching around, some people had good results mixing SG and water instead of AIO and water.

It is a Ford 2002 Screw

My, my the names of those trucks these days!

[Lost Pup]

Slang picked up from the f150online.com forums.

2002 F150 Supercrew.

Question on the SG mix ?

Would one use both ?

A AIO QD mix to clean and follow up with a SG QD mix and buff ?

Or is the SG mix ok alone to QD ?

[puterbum]

It's like trying to make your own cleaner wax by mixing PPCL and Souveran . . . you just can't do it.

SG QD alone will work fine. Try searching around, I know it's been discussed.

Here's one thread: http://www.autopia-carport.com/forum...&threadid=3881

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Originally posted by puterbum
AIO contains chemical cleaners that will eat wax or sealant off of your paint.

Not to mention, abrasives too.

[waxman]

On the bottle of AIO and on the websites that sell it, they say it contains "NO ABRASIVES". Am I mistaken?

[puterbum]

It might say something like contains no harsh abrasives.

What does this really mean? No HARSH abrasives. I agree with this statement for our usage. If we were dealing with something super-easy to mar (easier than CDs) then it would not be relatively true.

Results speak much louder than any claims on the bottle. Same goes with evaluating how true claims on bottles are. CD test it . . . it's abrasive.

[YoSteve]

AIO QD spray would probably work better for someone who only uses AIO on their cars. One thing I would be curious about is if it is chemically polishing (that's why we call it abrasive) your car then does it depost acrylic as AIO in pure form does both too.

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Waxman, do you believe all "marketing" statements made about a product? They say that it's not a polymer, but an acrylic. Well, acrylics are polymers.

Also, they say AIO matches the depth of a high-quality carnauba. Then what's so special about BF?

In spite of all this, do I think AIO is a good product? Hell yes! Abrasives aren't a bad thing. AIO does a great job for me in eliminating minor swirls and light contaminants.

[puterbum]

What is meant by "chemically abrasive" ? I would think the term would apply to something like a paint thinner that removes some of a substance chemically. It does not require pressure to work.

However, AIO requires pressure to work. If I dump some AIO straight out of the bottle and onto my car, I'm not going to magically have less marring in that area because of "chemical abrasives." But if I were to rub it in and use pressure to apply / remove and then strip off the fillers with denatured alcohol, I bet I'd have less marring present on the surface.

I've heard "chemical cleaners" from Meguiars, and they said these magical things remove swirl marks from my paint (permanently, not fillers). I always took that to be marketing BS . . . Steve? What do you think of this? You feel AIO is non abrasive? If I were to use it on a CD and find marring, that's from chemicals, not minute particulate matter? Explain how this is possible unless it's some kind of acid?

[YoSteve]

polishes in general are tricky in that technique and applicators play a big part in what it can do. Just like how some people use SMR and get no effect while other use it and get pretty yucko hazing. Now the SMR in both cases are the same and what changes are the user and the applicator (whether it be by hand or by machine, by sponge or by wool, there are a ton of variables)

Does AIO readily marr a CD? I haven't checked. But I think a big part that AIO plays has to do with the applicator. Puter, did you happen to find the MSDS on AIO? I guess you can test the chemical strength of a product by leaving a blob on a cd, leaving it there, and seeing if it harms it.

That said, you would think that AIO in a QD would basically strip off everything, yet people recommend it as a car wash? And if there were abrasives in it would there be enough that when diluted 98% by water would it retain its abrasive properties, (chemical or physical). You would at least have to use the same total amount (now mixed with water) to at least resemble the cleaning abilities of the full strength version. Just a few points, no theories really

[puterbum]

Hey Steve,

I agree, AIO as a QD would slowly strip away the layer of SG or wax on the surface of the car, but it would still do it. Otherwise, SG QD wouldn't work either because it is too diluted -- catch my drift?

I haven't heard anyone here recommend AIO as a carwash. I remember one member testing it and getting terrible results. That claim is mainly marketing IMO, but I haven't tried it as a carwash so take it FWIW.

I was just asking what you meant by chemically abrasive. You have much more chem background than me so I thought it would be a nice opportunity to learn something and perhaps make something of all the stuff Meguiar's has said about chemically abrasive. Maybe it's true.

Don't be afraid to go over my head with terms / concepts, I'll adapt.