Recommendations Wanted

[Accumulator]

The regulars here can probably guess what my opinions are of both Waxing Frenzy and the course of this thread

Frenzy- Just a sincere FYI: you really aren't coming across well to your target audience here. Especially those of us with decades of experience. Whether it's your claims or your manner of expressing yourself, you're antagonizing/alienating a community of consumers, many of whom possess expert knowledge in this field. Marketing 101- that's not in your best interest.

Oh, and even though I'm no fan of most Meguiar's products, they actually *do* give away plenty of products, advice, and even *labor* at their frequent "detailing clinics". Gotta watch who you bash and how, gets back to the credibility/alienating issue

Everybody else who's rubber-necking this trainwreck of a thread- Since Frenzy *did* offer to send out samples (and that deserves a IMO ), somebody who gets a sample please send some of this stuff to Mr. Chemist so he can have it tested. And somebody who gets a sample please do some kind of controlled comaro with products we're familiar with. Sorry, but I'm not putting anything new on *my* vehicles; they're all just the way I want them with my current regimens.

Hey, if the stuff is so wonderful, *somebody* is gonna like it better than whatever they're using now. From NXT to Collinite, Blitz to Glanz, if a product's any good at all it'll find its way to a rabid fan and we'll hear about it. But when a product is *not* any good, everybody hears about *that* soon enough too.

[RedondoV6]

Kim .. I was a little harsh earlier when I commented on your posts, but I can't help but think that you might be happier if you were selling something for male enlargement, losing 10lbs and 6" in 3 days, or a new design of plastic spatula to flip eggs without breaking them? What do you think?

[Scottwax]

I have a bottle of Waxing Frenzy that is about 1/3rd full I got from Rick Springer (rlspringer) and he said it was okay but nothing special. Looked pretty decent on my washing machine but so does everything else. Still slick after 2 months but it isn't exposed to sunlight, rain, etc and I don't wash it either. I have Collinite Insulator Wax on my dryer, applied at around the same time and that seems slicker to the touch than WF.

I have yet to try it on a vehicle and I'd be willing to send some to Mr Chemist to test.

After reading through this thread, I am really hesistant to use it on even a family member's vehicle, let alone a customers if as dternst says, the durability just isn't there.

Anyone else try WF and have good durability results?

[White95Max]

Originally posted by Scottwax
Looked pretty decent on my washing machine but so does everything else. Still slick after 2 months but it isn't exposed to sunlight, rain, etc and I don't wash it either.

What??? You mean you don't wash and QD your washing machine on a twice-weekly basis? lol

[Mark Waldron]

Hi everybody!,

I just wanted to let everybody know about a new wax that I developed that is medically proven to increase circulation, lower glucose (priceless if diabetic), stabilize blood pressure, lower cholestrol, and increase longevity. I know you guys must be thinking this is to good to be true, but I'm offering samples to anyone who wants to improve their quality of life and lower their medical bills. To good to be true?

My chemist has genetically engineered this wax with actual human dna molecules that absorb through the skin as you wax your car using our free supplied applicator. The medical profession is now using this wax as a preventive measure for all kinds of potential conditions. We are fighting hard to keep this wax from requiring a prescription so you, the detailer, can enjoy all the benefits this product offers.

But please, don't take my word that this is the finest wax money can buy. Try it yourself and find out what many have already found. You can have a great looking car and feel good knowing your helping your body maintain it's shine!!

[Frenzy]

Talk about BS! There is not a statement I have made that I cannot back up. Are you a chemist? Do you own a race team of any kind? Thought not.

Although I don't feel I need to justify my statements, you can go to our website and see pictures of us waxing the EJP NASCAR Craftsman truck as it heads onto the track in Atlanta. We are working with several race teams and if you knew anything at all about racing (or wax), you would know that EVERY car waxes for testing and racing. BTW, the next time you are in the garage area at a NASCAR race, be sure to stop by and introduce yourself to us! We'd love to meet you and introduce you to the people that "obviously know less than you". Maybe you could teach them about aerodynamics!

As for our chemist, he chooses to work with us because the wax companies that have courted him want to cut corners and produce lesser quality products to save money (while charging the consumer more). He will not comprimise his reputation that way...nor will we.

Thanks for your enlightenment. Guess we should close up shop.

[Frenzy]

http://www.hammerheadboatworks.com/images/03ATL4.jpg

By the way, that's Brett Bodine standing next to Rob (waxing the truck with WF) in front of the GM Goodwrench hauler at Altanta Motor Speedway...on it's way to final inspection before the race. Just one of the many NASCAR teams we work with.

Oh, here's one I'm sure you'll have fun with....WF is also on the US Olympic Bobsled Team's sleds (men's and women's). Should I tell them to strip it?

[Frenzy]

Evidentally, you don't want to give WF a fair test. This has become a very childish thread and you have already made up your minds about our products.

I don't have to justify what I say or my products. I have a company to run and I have introduce you to the wax. What you choose to do with the information is up to you.

I now understand why other wax companies do not participate in these forums.

As far as our products go, we are very proud of all of them. We are also committed to our customers and feel that our time is best spent servicing them, not defending a product you know nothing about. No, they are not miracles...nothing is. Just a cut above the competition.

This seems to be a helpful site, in most cases. However, if I were new to detailing, I would be very leary after reading some of the comments.

[T. Perinne]

I've never noticed a wax or sealent make a difference in my 1/4 mile times. I sure prefer to race a clean and waxed car but I don't understand how any LSP can improve you performance... it seems the differences in drag would be too minute. How many tenths can I expect to pick up with WF?

I really love the slickness of 4* UPP, does WF leave a slicker finish?

I've never seen a yellow film from using Souveran paste on my black Mustang - will WF actually look better than PS on black?

These are a couple of preffered characteristics of a few of my favorite products... can you tell me how WF stacks up specifically?

Thanks.

[dternst]

I did a little investigation on your threads over the past year. You stirred up the same crap last year at his time. People we promised samples at that time. Now I don't know how manyh samples you sent out at that time but two people responded one favorable (probably one of your lackys) and one not so good (your product was shelved for another product). The downfall of Autopia is the reluctancy of it's members to post negative reviews. So I guess the others that were sent samples, didn't care for your product.

Your post have one common theme... you heavily pushing your product. I commend you on your presistance but I think your claims are wasted on a group like Autopia.

I also hope that others take offense to your last statement. Autopia IS a very helpful forum, no if, ands, or buts. We didn't ask you to come here, or your not paying for advertising, you popped in one day and start shilling your product. Perhaps you'd be better off pimping your product somewhere else.

[pwalk]

Hey people, a couple of thoughts.

First, Mark Waldron, (I mean this in the nicest way possible), you can say anything you want any way you want, but if you keep taking shots at Frenzy, you may want to change your tagline at the bottom "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"

Second, Frenzy, I appreciate you sending me a sample (it sounds like you did anyway). Your claims are pretty bold, so I am looking forward to trying your product. I will test it as I promised, and let anyone who is interested know what the results are.

Lastly, many years ago, when I drove 2000 miles a week (yes, a week) for my job, I drove a 1995 Infiniti J30t. Some weekends I had the time to wax it. Those following Mondays, my gas mileage was 1 to 3 mpg higher versus a week later w/o a new coat of wax. Believe it or not.

[Frenzy]

Originally posted by dternst
I did a little investigation on your threads over the past year. You stirred up the same crap last year at his time. People we promised samples at that time. Now I don't know how manyh samples you sent out at that time but two people responded one favorable (probably one of your lackys) and one not so good (your product was shelved for another product). The downfall of Autopia is the reluctancy of it's members to post negative reviews. So I guess the others that were sent samples, didn't care for your product.

Your post have one common theme... you heavily pushing your product. I commend you on your presistance but I think your claims are wasted on a group like Autopia.

I also hope that others take offense to your last statement. Autopia IS a very helpful form, not if ands or buts. We didn't ask you to come here, or your not paying for advertising, you popped in one day and start shilling your product. Perhaps you'd be better off pimping your product somewhere else.

First of all, I don't have "lakckys".

Second, I not only sent out samples, I also packed a sample kit just for Autopia members (called the Autopia Sample Pack), which I sold to Autopia members at reduced prices.