Recommendations Wanted - Page 3

unclearty · 02-14-05, 01:22

If I've learned nothing else form this forum...it's to keep an open mind. Of course I take all claims with a grain of salt..sometimes a BOX of salt. Nevertheless, I've found that I really like some products that at first seemed too good to be true. Yes, I've acquired a pretty large collection of products..some, I'll never use again, but I find that I often re-try things I haven't used in awhile..sometimes to very good results.
Does your company have the ability to offer small sample sizes for members here to try? If nothing else, it will give us the opportunity to review your product and offer our opinions. I've always been very impressed as to how some members here will do in depth reviews of products. I'd be very interested in seeing if your product looks better on my black test subject than some of my favorites...S100, NXT, Liquid Soveran, etc.

TOGWT · 02-14-05, 01:30

If your chemist has designed a Carnauba / polymer type wax that has a melting point of 1210oF (four timed higher than maost car care products )I'm sure you've taken out a patent on it, could I have that number.

I wait for the answers to both my questions and everyone else's with baited breath
JonM

ntwrkguy1 · 02-14-05, 02:07

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Originally posted by pwalk

Perhaps your product would be better served if you asked for 10 volunteers to try your WF free of charge. In return, the volunteers would give their honest feedback.

I have a BMW that I will put your product on, next to #16 and some NXT I have left............ What do you think?

I couldn't agree more. Even if you sent 50 people a 4 oz. test bottle, you'd have some of the best product testing available. And if it did work the way you say it will, you'd have 50 new customers.

After all, the proof is in the pudding.....

dternst · 02-14-05, 02:07

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Originally posted by Frenzy
QUOTE: Not sure what you used to wash the vehicle.

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Originally posted by dternst
QUOTE: I performed a 5 minute cold rinse with a light wash of WF's shampoo (used less shampoo than recommended) no evidence of the wax was present.

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Originally posted by Frenzy
QUOTE:If it stripped the carnauba, the polymers would protect, resulting in a sheeting action (not beading).

Please prove to me that the wax film protection initially applied is still on the surface. Sheeting is not a good indicator of the protective layer still being present. If the polymers were still present, the surface would feel slick to the touch. No slickness was evident after using YOUR shampoo to perform a light wash.

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Originally posted by DavidB
QUOTE: A better test of paint protection is feel. If your paint finish continues to feel smooth, it’s because oxidation is not highly active and contamination is not sticking.

Frenzy · 02-14-05, 02:08

Sure thing. Contact me with your info.

TortoiseAWD · 02-14-05, 02:09

Ah, the mythical "white" carnauba again . . . I wonder if WF and Zymol get theirs from the same place.

Tort

ntwrkguy1 · 02-14-05, 02:14

Kim,

You have a PM.

Thanks,

David

Frenzy · 02-14-05, 02:15

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Originally posted by pwalk
Kim, I think you are sincere in your efforts to help us understand what makes WF 'different'.

What you may not understand is, we have heard it all before. (I have been waxing cars for 30+ years). Plus, we all know you are pushing WF, so your opinions are naturally biased.

I DO understand...that's what drives us.

Perhaps your product would be better served if you asked for 10 volunteers to try your WF free of charge. In return, the volunteers would give their honest feedback.

I will send a sample to the first 10 people that e-mail their info to me at: kim@cleaningfrenzy.com

BTW: Try getting Meguiar's to send you anything for free.

I have a BMW that I will put your product on, next to #16 and some NXT I have left............ What do you think?

Frenzy · 02-14-05, 02:16

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Originally posted by TortoiseAWD
Ah, the mythical "white" carnauba again . . . I wonder if WF and Zymol get theirs from the same place.

Tort

I can honestly say...NO. And, it is not mythical; just extremely rare.

Spilchy · 02-14-05, 02:58

For what it is worth, this is what I read about "white" carnauba: There are some wax manufacturers that advertise the use of only white carnauba in their products. There is no such thing as an albino carnauba tree (the power of advertising). Number one grade yellow carnauba wax has been repeatedly tested and shown to produce, by far, the deepest shine and the best clarity.

Doing a Google search on white carnauba wax yields Zymol, Trade Secret, Flitz (if you can believe that!) and Frenzy.

Kim, maybe you should give some samples to some professional detailers here and let them try it out and report on looks and durability. There are some very reputable, honest and expert detailers here who report on new products.

Frenzy · 02-14-05, 03:09

There are also "some" manufacturers that advertise "Ivory", which is completely non-existent.

I agree, the detailers on this site seem to know their business. However, there are things that we, as detailers, are not privvy to, nor are "some" manufacturers. White carnauba does exist and is not accessible in most circles. It comes from a different region of Brazil and is not generally available for export. I'd be surprised if the products you listed actually contain it. Not for me to say.

I'm signing off for the night. Samples will go out tomorrow to those who e-mailed requests.

NozeBleedSpeed · 02-14-05, 03:23

I have to say this is honestly the biggest pile of warm BS Ive ever read from any manufacturer. Either you think everyone here is an idiot, or you are the biggest fool of us all, for believing what youre saying.

First and foremost. White carnauba doesnt exist anywhere in the world. Its ALL yellow in its natural state. White carnauba is bleached or altered carnauba.
2nd is, not even a polymer in a liquid form has a melting point of 1200 degrees. much less any blend using silicones and carnauba. (now, go ahead and tell me how you dont use silicones in your wax, or that you use "more Teflon" than anyone else...)
NASCAR is the National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing, not a a race team. Nascar is a governing body and corporation of a sport. Not a race team. They dont need wax on their book of rules or stopwatches.
No NASCAR racing team ever waxes their cars for competition or testing. Ive never seen them do aything other than wash a race car. Most times , not even that. You can wax a brick all day and it wont be anymore aerodynamic than it was before wax.

I can assure that after 5 minutes of cold water rinse and 2 washes, WF id gone. Dead. Fine'. Collinite is the only carnauba wax Ive ever seen beat that test.

On a final note, if your chemist was such a genuis, he wouldnt be wasting his time mixing car wax for some little known wax company.