Just because you own a Ferrari you know better..... - Page 5

Antonio Wright · 12-05-04, 11:07

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Originally posted by TW85 HHI
Like every profession, there are true professionals and there are those that call themselves professionals. A lot of hobbyist detailers are far more professional and produce superior results than many of the "professional" detailers in this country.

Bah! That is the customers fault. At the shop at work most customers really don't care. As long as the car is "shiny" then they are happy.

I think that guy hit a nerve in a few of you. If you don't believe what he said is true, then DON'T get upset. There are only like 5 people on this site who's post I read. They do and post quality work so I believe what they are talking about. The guys at DetailDynamics produce very high quality work and I believe what they say. Why do you think I only have 200+ posts? I would never offer advise because I am NOT a professional yet.

LightngSVT, you need to read #7 a few more times. He never said ALL detail sites were bad.

Corey Bit Spank, stop hating.

Shiny Lil Detlr, the reason they me not be posting is because they could actually be doing work, not sitting on thier *** typing. Sir, your post was absurd.

By, the way what in the hell does it mean to be an "Autopian?"

TW85 HHI · 12-05-04, 11:31

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Originally posted by Antonio Wright
[b]I would never offer advise because I am NOT a professional yet.

Ah, so because many of us on this site are just hobbyists, instead of "professionals," we should not offer advice? That is the most BS that has been posted in this thread.

Antonio Wright · 12-05-04, 11:54

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Originally posted by TW85 HHI
Ah, so because many of us on this site are just hobbyists, instead of "professionals," we should not offer advice? That is the most BS that has been posted in this thread.

If you consider yourself a "hobbyists" then you forever will be a "hobbyists". The fact of the matter is I love detailing with a passion. My goal is to follow my passion and take it to the next level by offering my services to the general population.

So, sir you can stay at the "hobbyists" level. I am looking to go beyond that. By, the way you can offer all the advice you want, that does not mean anyone is going to follow it.

BW · 12-05-04, 11:55

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Originally posted by TW85 HHI
Ah, so because many of us on this site are just hobbyists, instead of "professionals," we should not offer advice? That is the most BS that has been posted in this thread.

I think none of us should offer 'original' advice. 99.9% of the stuff we post are regurgitated facts, blended together with our own opinions.

TW85 HHI · 12-05-04, 01:09

Advice is always blended with opinions.

Antonio Wright,

Because you go professional does NOT mean you have taken a step to the next level. A lot of so called professionals are more amateur in techniques and results than the enthusiast hobbyists. Anyone that thinks because they are a professional that they perform superior work than someone that does the same work for stress relief and because it is exciting needs to pull their head out of their ***. Yes, they may do better work but often times, it is equal at best.

Attaching the word "professional" to yourself does not mean your advice is anymore worthy than the advice of a nonprofessional. Now, for note, I use the term "professional" loosely because it is only that you have carried your love to the next step of making money, not necessarily that you are more knowledgeable. I also use the word "professional" in quotation marks to further emphasize how loosely I use it. Anyone can become a professional in most fields (most because some require formal education).

Congratulations on wanting to go professional. However, let us face it...detailing does not require a formal education and anyone with drive and pride in their work can quickly learn to be an excellent detailer. Again, being a professional does not make you, your work, and your advice anymore credible than that of hobbyists. Taking advice only from professionals is arrogant and ignorant.

Antonio Wright · 12-05-04, 01:21

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Originally posted by TW85 HHI
Advice is always blended with opinions.

Antonio Wright,

Because you go professional does NOT mean you have taken a step to the next level. A lot of so called professionals are more amateur in techniques and results than the enthusiast hobbyists. Anyone that thinks because they are a professional that they perform superior work than someone that does the same work for stress relief and because it is exciting needs to pull their head out of their ***. Yes, they may do better work but often times, it is equal at best.

Attaching the word "professional" to yourself does not mean your advice is anymore worthy than the advice of a nonprofessional. Now, for note, I use the term "professional" loosely because it is only that you have carried your love to the next step of making money, not necessarily that you are more knowledgeable. I also use the word "professional" in quotation marks to further emphasize how loosely I use it. Anyone can become a professional in most fields (most because some require formal education).

Congratulations on wanting to go professional. However, let us face it...detailing does not require a formal education and anyone with drive and pride in their work can quickly learn to be an excellent detailer. Again, being a professional does not make you, your work, and your advice anymore credible than that of hobbyists. Taking advice only from professionals is arrogant and ignorant.

TW85 HHI, my tone was harsh and I will apoligize for that.

I guess we are just going to have to disagree. IMHO, if one is very good at what they do then they should turn a profit out of it. It is like Micheal Jordan playing at the local basketball court and not entering the NBA.

Oh, well.

jvcn · 12-05-04, 01:40

AW,

As you yourself pointed out, as long as the car is shiny most customers are happy. So making money merely involves pleasing these people at the lowest possible price with the best marketing. I hope you are able to educate them about good and bad detailing and thus improve demand for good work. I applaud your ambition.

Making money is wonderful and to be encouraged but it promotes the best value, not necessarily a hypothetical or aesthetic best. The purpose of these forums is to give free reign to enthusiasts who will often spend time and money on techniques and products that would in no way be viable for a mass business.

As I noted earlier I would love to have paid for a pro to work on my car for the prep. But unlike, Law, Medicine, or the technical sciences, there are no mechanisms for providing customers with even a semblance of screening for "good" or "bad" professionals. Yes, there are bad doctors who survive, but no amateur, self-taught brain surgeon could ever be relied upon to do as well as the average university trained, experienced doctor.

The same cannot be said for detailing, where the best enthusiasts can and will produce better results -- routinely -- than some (possibly even most) money-earning detailing shops.

TW85 HHI · 12-05-04, 02:03

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Originally posted by Antonio Wright
TW85 HHI, my tone was harsh and I will apoligize for that.

I guess we are just going to have to disagree. IMHO, if one is very good at what they do then they should turn a profit out of it. It is like Micheal Jordan playing at the local basketball court and not entering the NBA. Oh, well.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to turn a profit on what you are good at doing, however, not wanting to turn a profit does not make you less credible as you implied. Detailing could never be my profession but I thoroughly enjoy it and my results are superior to any of the "professional" shops around here. I have goals that could never be met by being a pro detailer but they can readily be met by becoming a professional in a field that requires formal education.

To each his own.

MongooseGA · 12-05-04, 02:04

I detail for a profit. I don't call myself a professional. I don't even call myself a 'detailer'. I say "I detail cars". Why? I don't officially own a business yet. I don't have quite as much experience as others. Hell, I'm only 14! I may not compare to some other detailers. I might be better than them. Maybe it's just my way of being humble. It's the same way with my not calling myself a 'kickboxer". I kickbox, and I've sparred a few times with my instructor. However, I've never competed in tournaments, and probably never will. I don't think I've done enough with it to warrant myself as a 'kickboxer'.

BTW RCG: that might be the case. Good catch.

zevo · 12-06-04, 08:07

Just curious, what is the site. I would like to see it.

AutoNova · 12-07-04, 05:02

I detail full time and do end up fixing a lot of mistakes from other detailing shops in my area. I have never bad mouthed any of the other detailers but actually had an owner from another shop call me and ask me why I said I fix problems from his shop all the time. I told him to check his sources before calling me and making accusations although I could have named 3 of his customers off the bat whose cars I had to fix from his errors. I also asked him does he do all the work on the cars himself, he said no and I said well how do you know that every car is done correctly. Just because you have a big shop with 4-5 detailers doesn't mean jack, it probably means the cars don't always get the attention they deserve.

ShineShop · 12-07-04, 06:57

We do the same and run into the same problem with the other detail shop owners. I make it a point to NEVER bad mouth any one else's name or work - it just lowers us to their level and people do not think better of anyone who does that. We simply point out common mistakes made by other shops and cite examples of how we have dealt with fixing it in the past and show pictures if possible.