Klasse SG Wipe on, Wipe off, Official Application Instructions - Page 4

Scottwax · 12-22-03, 10:16

Like Bill pointed out, SG dries very quickly (at least in my experience), so if it truly needs to dry on the surface, I think even using this method it does.

BillNorth · 12-22-03, 10:40

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Originally posted by Jngrbrdman
I'll have to test it to find out.

Agreed. That's what I want. You and I both started out using this product at around the same time. I'd like to get your honest opinion of this method, both short and long term.

I also hope that SL and yosteve try it out and report back. I'd love to hear what they have to say as well.

Let us know when you try it.

Later man.

Bill.

foxtrapper · 12-23-03, 06:34

To further speed the process, try something else that I do. Don't wait this 24 hours between coats. I don't see any reason for it, and in my limited experience it works just fine to apply the second coat right after you're done with the first coat. Try it and see what you think.

BillNorth · 12-23-03, 09:29

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Originally posted by foxtrapper
To further speed the process, try something else that I do. Don't wait this 24 hours between coats. I don't see any reason for it, and in my limited experience it works just fine to apply the second coat right after you're done with the first coat. Try it and see what you think.

To be fair, I have tried it. And the car definately did not look the same as when I waited 1 week. It was missing that blazing glass coated shine it has when I wait 1 week between layers.

Ploymers need anywhere between a MINIMUM of 24 hours to a more realisitc time frame of 1 week to cure properly. The molecules need time to cure and crosslink. Applying layers back to back with no cure time results in no real layering. You are just wasting product.

Now I want YOU to try waiting 1 week between coats and be honest in your findings. I think that you WILL in fact see a difference.

Bill.

dmatre · 12-23-03, 06:31

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Originally posted by Jngrbrdman
I don't question that the process works. I'm sure it does. I am just concerned that it may compromise the effectiveness of the Klasse. If it needs to dry on the surface to really protect then this would be hurting that. I'll trust the method more after someone can prove that this method is as effective in the long run as the traditional method. I'm sure it is faster and easier, I would just like to know what, if anything, is sacrificed in this process. Ya know? I'll have to test it to find out.

A couple of weeks ago, I polished and applied Klasse to both of our cars:

'99 Passat - 2 x AIO, 2 x SG - 1 hour wait time, 24 hours between coats

'03 Benz C230 - 2 x AIO, 2 x SG - BillNorth method (wipe on/wipe off), 24 hours between coats

As of now, it is not possible to see a difference, as both cars look like I just did them (after washing).

As we get on through winter and into spring, I'll post comparative results. Then we'll (ok, I'll) know if there is a difference in durability.

As of now, there is no difference in shine or depth (as much as I can determine on cars of different color).

BillNorth · 12-23-03, 08:01

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Originally posted by dmatre
A couple of weeks ago, I polished and applied Klasse to both of our cars:

'99 Passat - 2 x AIO, 2 x SG - 1 hour wait time, 24 hours between coats

'03 Benz C230 - 2 x AIO, 2 x SG - BillNorth method (wipe on/wipe off), 24 hours between coats

As of now, it is not possible to see a difference, as both cars look like I just did them (after washing).

As we get on through winter and into spring, I'll post comparative results. Then we'll (ok, I'll) know if there is a difference in durability.

As of now, there is no difference in shine or depth (as much as I can determine on cars of different color).

Please do keep us posted on durability. I'm curious to see things turn out, especially after winter has passed.

Bill.

emobob · 12-24-03, 11:16

I used this method today; the first time I have ever used klasse period. I can't understand how whiping it off before it hazes works, but thats why I'm an EE and not a chemist. Suffice to say, putting on SG with this method was as easy as say...p21s, and boy is that saying something. Too bad I don't know anything about this old 'difficult' method you all refer to!

Oh and the car looks great! going out tomarrow to put on coat 2.

grt1today · 12-25-03, 01:33

If you can, you should let that 1st coat cure a little bit longer before you throw on another coat as has been offered up on this thread, you might like the end results a little better. As for waiting for products to haze, I had to get use to wiping my souveran off immediately versus the older way of most waxes letting them haze for awhile before buffing them off, and it still works beautifully...

dmatre · 01-04-04, 06:23

Update on the 'wait 1 hour' versus 'BillNorth method':

Now one month after application of AIO/SG on two cars - '99 Passat using 'wait 1 hour' before wiping off, '03 C230 using 'BillNorth method'.

Just washed both cars over the weekend, and until now there appears to be no difference in the performance of the SG.

The extreme reflectivity (is that a word?) that was there immediately after the 2nd coat of SG, appears to have diminished on both cars. They are both very clean, and shine better than 99.5% of the cars on the road - but they don't have the brilliance that they had immediately after wiping off the SG.

Both cars appeared to have the same water beading/sheating performance while being washed.

As of today, I would say that the BillNorth method has the same results as the wait-1-hour method, when tested after 1 month.

Interesting note: Switched from Mercedes/Meguiars car wash to Griot's car wash (when the MB car wash ran out). The Griot's tends to bead much more on the car, and does not 'sheet' off as cleanly as the MB/Megs car wash.

I'll post the next update sometime in early February (if I can find a break where the cars don't freeze while being washed).

BillNorth · 01-04-04, 11:32

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Originally posted by dmatre
Update on the 'wait 1 hour' versus 'BillNorth method':

Now one month after application of AIO/SG on two cars - '99 Passat using 'wait 1 hour' before wiping off, '03 C230 using 'BillNorth method'.

Just washed both cars over the weekend, and until now there appears to be no difference in the performance of the SG.

The extreme reflectivity (is that a word?) that was there immediately after the 2nd coat of SG, appears to have diminished on both cars. They are both very clean, and shine better than 99.5% of the cars on the road - but they don't have the brilliance that they had immediately after wiping off the SG.

Both cars appeared to have the same water beading/sheating performance while being washed.

As of today, I would say that the BillNorth method has the same results as the wait-1-hour method, when tested after 1 month.

Interesting note: Switched from Mercedes/Meguiars car wash to Griot's car wash (when the MB car wash ran out). The Griot's tends to bead much more on the car, and does not 'sheet' off as cleanly as the MB/Megs car wash.

I'll post the next update sometime in early February (if I can find a break where the cars don't freeze while being washed).

Thanks for keeping us updated!!! I sincerely appreciate it.

Bill.

Dalton · 10-08-04, 02:43

Nine months later. Have people been using the Bill North Method? How has it worked out for you?

The Uncle · 10-08-04, 03:30

I used the BillNorth method on my TSX. I washed, clayed, use AIO, and then the BillNorth Method for SG application. I gave it four layers, with about a week or two in between each. Since that time, I wash the car regularly, and detail it with Sonus about once every two weeks. This process has left a brilliant shine that is still slick and beading about one year later. I'm about to purchase a PC (to apply the AIO) and go through the entire process again.

In short, Bill's method works great and he did us all a service by posting it here.