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Originally posted by Jngrbrdman
If you need to save time then use a wax. Sealants require a little different process than waxes. Detailing is about patience and attention to the little things. I don't think that blowing off the recommended procedure of applying SG is a wise thing to do. Sure it may work, but is it really? Its not always about speed. Some things you just can't rush and a chemical process on your car is one of them. Wiping it off that soon and applying it with a damp applicator is not what the maker suggests. I'm not trying to bag on the idea or anything, but it seems kind of a half baked job if that is how you are using Klasse. If you don't have the patience to wait the 45 minutes before buffing it off with something like the two towel method, then I really don't think Klasse is the product you want to be using.
I'm really not trying to be a downer here. I've been using Klasse for a couple years now and nobody is as big of a fan of it as I am. I'm just concerned that there is a step being skipped for the sake of speeding up the process. SG is a unique product with a uniqe application process. Its not like you can treat it like a liquid wax and still get the great results we expect from SG. I'm just concerned is all. It seems like cutting corners to me. Maybe someone could explain why the 45 minutes isn't necessary and that possibly diluting the SG with a damp applicator won't affect it at all. That's all I really need to know. 
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Jngr,
I'm a die hard klasse man myself. And I understand your concern. I'm glad I got to hear your opinion as I respect it greatly.
My take is as follows:
Prior to this method I used a damp applicator to apply and the damp and dry towel method waiting an hour before buffing. As you are probably aware, I experienced a nasty problem where my SG produced an oily haze/film about a week after application. My car looked like total garbage. After posting my findings many others came out and admitted having experienced the same problem using the same method.
I didn't want to give up on sg so easily so I decided to try something else. That being applying SG with a dry terry applicator, letting sit for an hour, then buffing with just a dry towel. Using this method resolved the oily haze/film problem I encountered previously, but it was such a headache to buff off the SG. I was buffing so hard in some areas that I was actually marring the surface of my paint. Not something I consider to be worthwhile or productive.
So, I was onto my third attempt. Based on all the times that I used SG, one thing I noticed is that it dried rather quickly. So I thought to myself, maybe we were all letting it sit for too long. Maybe there was really no point in waiting an hour or 45mins for it to dry. This train of thought was also helped along by the reccomendation of Bob from Klasse USA to a member of this forum a couple of years ago. He said in order to use SG you should wipe on and then wipe off. At the time, many members scoffed at this, thinking that Bob was trying to make klasse more friendly to Joe turtle wax consumer. But to me, this theory was also given more credence after thinking back to how SG was originally used by the OGD's of the board back in the day. They actually used to apply SG into the paint until it almost disapeared. They buffed off whatever residue was left using their dry MF. No dry time was mixed into their process and they still achieved fantastic results.
Do you remember where the whole dry time/ damp and dry towel method started? It was snake (Time @ Tacscar). He always loved playing around with SG. I remeber the thread he started where he posted pics of his gold volvo with one coat of SG applied very thick which he left to dry overnight, then removed with a spray bottle of water. The results were fantastic, and from that day forward wait time/damp and dry towel method was born. All the OGD's embraced it, and hence many of the noobs at the time (myself included) followed. And up until today we haven't really looked back.
Back to present day. I decided to play around with my SG to see if there was a better way/easier way of using it while still achieving the same great results. That's when I decided to give Bob's technique a shot. And so far the results are the same as with the second method I used. My SG is behaving as expected.
You know me. You know how I detest turtle wax detailing and technique. If this method proves to be a disaster over the next few months (until spring), I will be the first to post. I will also go back and delete every post in which I uttered the words wipe on wipe off.
But I don't think that is going to happen. So far this method is proving to be very successful.
I agree with you, detailing is about patience. Amen to that.
I don't necessarily agree with damp and dry being the 'recommended' procedure. You and I know quite well that getting hard and fast answers from the klasse people is next to impossible. Saying that using a damp and dry towel as well as waiting 45 mins to buff is the 'recommended' technique is misleading. Recommended by whom? I don't think it was klasse.
wiping it off that soon is not what the maker suggests.
Where does it say not to wipe off immediately? The instructions on the back of the SG bottle are open to interpretation. They are as clear as mud. That, to me is the only place to find 'official info'. Klasse direct and CMA, with all due respect, sell the product, not formulate it. Their word is no more or less valuable than any other person who is not klasse.
As I said in my post DefBringer, dilution by way of QD is not a big concern since you are not really using that much. Just enough to get the applicator semi damp in order to make the SG more pliable.
Also, riddle me this? What makes using a damp towel to remove SG any better than using a damp applicator pad to apply it?? Rememeber Ron K's old posts where he talks about polymers realisticly needing 1 week to cure. And that the introduction of any form of liquid (rain, car washing) prior to the week elapsing would interupt that chemical bonding and crosslinking, thus messing up durability?? I do remeber them quite well.
Anyway, just do me one favour. Give it a shot. Test it out on a family members car that lives in the same environment as yours (garaged, not garaged, washed weekly or bi-weekly, etc). See how it goes. If you think it's no good and cutting corners then please let us know. Let's share info and ideas. That really is the most important thing.
Anyway, I've said a lot. But give it a shot.
Later man.
Bill.
I thank you again for your explaination. 
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