Einszett polish on an older car?

finlandia · 10-09-03, 07:43

Got a question on polishes here. It's taken a while to read back posts, on and off.

I'm going to take a crack at my wife's white 1990 Pontiac Bonneville later this month. It lives outside year round in Washington, DC's lousy climate after having spent most of its life garaged in Georgia. It's in surprisingly good shape, with the paint still bright white. Swirls and some medium scratches on the hood and trunk, spiderwebbing on the trunk that you can see if you get up close. There's a faint brown blotch on the hood that isn't rust but appears to be under the clearcoat (though that could be my imagination.).

Plan overview:
Clay, polish, Klasse twins. Forever Black for the faded black trim. 303, Dawn, two buckets, MF towels, etc. No PC, so all work will have to be by hand.

First Question:
Which polish? My uncle tells me that AIO will magnify swirls so I want to reduce the swirls despite having to work by hand. If I understand correctly, the lack of a PC rules out Menzerna (since I don't want to be rubbing at it all day). I was thinking along the lines of Einszett Paint Polish followed by Einszett Metallic Paint (might a white car render the latter unnecessary?). The Ultra sounds like a bit much, although SamIam got good results on a Celica whose paint wasn't exactly "dull and weathered" (http://www.autopia.org/forums/showth...threadid=27805). I think he used a PC, though. I saw some recommendations for Meg's #9 followed by #7, too.

Second Question:
Anyone tried "Der Wunder Towel" that Autopia sells (my German-speaking wife is still rolling on the floor after reading that name last night)? I only found a few threads on it here and they were fairly inconclusive.

Thanks, folks. Great board, now I'll start participating.

DavidB · 10-09-03, 08:08

Here's a good way to understand the einszett (1Z) polishes:

1. 1Z Ultra Polish = 3M Perfect-It Fine Cut Compound
2. 1Z Paint Polish = 3M Perfect-It Swirl Mark Remover
3. 1Z Metallic = P21S Paintwork Cleaner + Meguiar's #26

Please note that Ultra Polish breaks down faster than 3M Fine Cut Compound and it therefore easier to use by hand.

Regarding the Klasse AIO magnifying swirls, that has not been my experience at all. In fact, I would say it does a good job removing minor swirls.

db

Bill D · 10-09-03, 08:29

Uh oh, glad I didn't order 1z yet. I have the above equivalents. Does the 1z perform any better overall or just by hand? Really do want to have multiple products that all perform the same way. Have read 1z is good for Audi finish but is it any better than the stuff I already have mentioned above?

Accumulator · 10-09-03, 10:24

finlandia - Welcome to Autopia. I'd get the Ultra instead of the Metallic. No, IMO, you won't need the metallic on white. Other than that, your plan looks good

I've found that (and this was on a white car) any remaining marring (that shows after the Klasse twins) can be hidden to some extent by topping with the right wax. NOT something "show-car appropriate" such as P21S or Souveran, but rather, something a bit "heavier" like Collinite or Meg's #16. Gives some added protection, too.

Much as I hesitate to disagree with David (who's taught ME a lot about the 1Z polishes and is FAR more knowledgeable than I am about them) I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that *I* found the 1Z ultra to be a bit stronger than the 3M RC's I've used (PI-II FCRC 39002 and PI-III RC 05933). This WAS a side-by-side comparison but was, of course, just MY impression. How's that for adequate disclaimers

Bill D- I hesitate to (endlessly

) repeat *MY* opinions about the 1Z polishes and how *I* find them so much easier to use than comparable products both by hand and by RO... see, I did it again

Is there a specific concern you have about the 1Z stuff? Don't mean to put you on the spot.

SamIam · 10-09-03, 10:25

Bill,

I have used the 3M stuff and I like it alot. Still have all those products sitting in my garage. That said, I believe the 1Z products work better with a PC or by hand. I would use the 3M products and not be upset, however, if I have the 1Z on hand, I will always reach for it first.

The referenced Celica I did was badly swirled and water spotted. I used the 1Z products and the shine jumped out at me. I used the Glanz wax to top, and really like it alot. I also have posted pics of a SC430, silver, that I did, and topped the metallic polish with Platinum UPP sealant. Again, I like the products alot.

I currently have sitting outside on my shelves, Klasse, Poorboys, Platinum, 3M, Meguairs, and a couple of others.

My bottom line is I will probably use the remaining stuff I have, but will probably buy mainly 1Z products in the future. That said, depending on longevity of the 1Z line, I may also continue with Klasse products and/or Platinum, as I also really like them alot.

Sam

Bill D · 10-09-03, 12:12

Thanks very much guys for clarifying things further for finlandia and myself. I just need additional justification I guess

They say a detailer has loads of different products from different manufacturers on the shelf and now I'm confident 1z will be a new and frequently used one on mine.

finlandia · 10-09-03, 01:09

I had wondered about the relative strength of 1Z vs 3M, since I had used 3M SMR before but was wondering if there was anything that might be better.

Like Bill D said, thanks, folks. All I have to do is not tell my wife just how much I'm about to spend and I'm home free.

Larry

Intermezzo · 10-09-03, 02:36

Quote:

Originally posted by finlandia
First Question:
Which polish? My uncle tells me that AIO will magnify swirls so I want to reduce the swirls despite having to work by hand. If I understand correctly, the lack of a PC rules out Menzerna (since I don't want to be rubbing at it all day). I was thinking along the lines of Einszett Paint Polish followed by Einszett Metallic Paint (might a white car render the latter unnecessary?). The Ultra sounds like a bit much, although SamIam got good results on a Celica whose paint wasn't exactly "dull and weathered" (http://www.autopia.org/forums/showth...threadid=27805). I think he used a PC, though. I saw some recommendations for Meg's #9 followed by #7, too.

Second Question:
Anyone tried "Der Wunder Towel" that Autopia sells (my German-speaking wife is still rolling on the floor after reading that name last night)? I only found a few threads on it here and they were fairly inconclusive.

Thanks, folks. Great board, now I'll start participating.

Finlandia,

Are you a Jean Sibelius fan? If so, then I'm happy to report that ever since Salonen took over the LA Phil, my appreciation for Sibelius' works has gone up a few notches.

Back on topic... I, like DavidB, have found that AIO does not magnify surface imperfections at all. In fact, I think it does a pretty good job of removing/filling very light swirls.

That said.... 1Z is my absolute favorite when it comes to polishes. They're starting to replace my 3M polishes because there really is no comparison when it comes to ease of use. In fact, the only time I would use 3M is with the rotary because of the fact that the abrasives in the 1Z polishes would probably break down too fast. When applied by hand, the 1Z polishes are very forgiving and (with the exception of 'Ultra') do not leave any excess marring or hazing.

As for Der Wunder Towel, LoL, a friend of mine ordered one from CMA simply because he was so amused by its name. I can almost guarantee you'd be better of using waffle-weave MF towels.

SamIam · 10-09-03, 03:22

Have you tried the 1Z pro line that is body shop safe? I tried it with a rotary last week and it did a good job on my black car. Experimented at 1200 to 1800RPMs and it worked great. I am a newbie with a rotary an experimented on my car to see how it works. I thought the pro line stuff worked pretty well with the rotary and a polishing pad.

Intermezzo · 10-09-03, 03:30

SamIam, no I haven't tried their pro-line. Sounds very interesting though. I'm a newb at rotary work as well and I haven't had too many opportunities to use one (have to borrow my friend's) nor have I encountered many situations that required one. I'd be very interested in trying it out though...considering how user-friendly their consumer-line products are.

finlandia · 10-09-03, 04:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Intermezzo
Finlandia,

Are you a Jean Sibelius fan? If so, then I'm happy to report that ever since Salonen took over the LA Phil, my appreciation for Sibelius' works has gone up a few notches.

Intermezzo,

I've been on various boards for years and you're the very first person to recognize my username! I am a Sibelius fan. My school alma mater was set to a movement from Finlandia. One day in college I figured out what piece it came from and BBC Music Magazine just happened to feature him on its monthly CD. Been a fan ever since. I've still never heard any of his works live, but I'd like to.

I'm glad to hear that my uncle was wrong about the AIO - he just must be doing something wrong. Maybe I'll refer him to the board.

And I was tempted to buy Der Wunder Towel just because of the name...but I won't.

lawrencea · 10-09-03, 06:37

I got a sample of 1z polish (green can) and the Glanz Wax I used the polish on a dark green car.and I find this product is the greatest for removeing swirls by HAND. 3M and Meguiars work great if you have a machine, but by hand I think 1z is the best and easier. On a light color car the green can polish will work just fine , on dark cars I would follow with their finer polish. Put on their wax and you will have that deep wet look finish.