Polymers or Acrylics causing paint cracks?

[Guitarman]

I would be interested as and objective observer ( though an admitted Zaino user ) to know if anyone has ever seen someone report paint damage from polymer use. Some of these products have been on the market for years( Nu Finish ) and I personally have used zaino for about a year now, with no signs of a problem. And being a car care moderator on another site, I have never seen a post pertaining to any paint damage of this nature. If they can say this can happen, what time frame have they established as being pertinent? I really am not on any side, because if it were known to be deliterious to a car's finish, I would stop using it. Just seems like there would be more imperical data at this juncture.

[darbh]

Beau and RH

The short version is just, "its not cool to trash people and it does no good." And, the quote trashed DetailKing.

[RH]

darbh,
If you were around at the time of the original thread, you would realize that it was Ron who was trashing Detailking, not Don.
RH

[RIC]

Don2000G writes,"Ron is a huge asset to the board. I'm sure that most will agree. He comes across as a very kind and helpful individual."

Here is the original post:

Judge for yourself:
Ron K writes:

"Ahhh, DETAILKING, I'll listen to a lot of hype and bull, but that one takes the cake. What is going on, an elastomeric in the World's Best Snake Oil, Marketing Hype!!
You can do better than that!
I suppose it has "plastizers" that are the invention of Sal! Did he and Gore get together and invent the "internet" too?
Polymer sealants flex, if you will, because the coating is so thin. There are not one of these components in Zanio or any other sealant.
Did Sal tell you that? Watch out when he asked you to trust him and drink the orange drink! "


And unless Ron K is man enough to apologize publicly on this board or by a phone call to Sal, I will continue to disrespect him. When Sal called to talk to him, Ron did not have the guts to even talk to him. He would not take the call. So, I have no respect for him.

[Edited by RIC on 07-27-2001 at 07:14 PM]

[White_F150]

Guitarman

I've used Mequiars Polymer sealant and Medallion Premium Paint Protection for quite a while now with no problems. That's one of the reasons why I have no problem switching to Zaino.

I believe that I read somewhere once where someone thought that "Liquid Glass" was causing their paint to crack. Don't know what the outcome was. However, that's why I stated in my previous post: "quality" polymer.

[RH]

Thanks RIC. A lot of the folks throwing in their $.02 didnt read the original thread, or dont remember it. I remember it, and am glad you found it.

I was recently told to go "--ck myself" for a less arrogant response to a posting. And then was blasted again by BillNorth, the same guy who was praising Ron earlier in this thread.

Oh well.

[JS]

The post that I referred to earlier where Ron K explained why putting a "flex agent" in a paint protectant or sealant is a bad idea, is here:

http://autopia-carport.com/forum/sho...3?threadid=663

Here, Ron K presents a pretty straightforward, informative, and logical argument on this subject...I don't see any personal references or insults in any of the man's posts in the above-mentioned thread.

As far as whether or not Ron K. "trashes" people--it is irrelevant to this argument. For what it's worth--in my experience he's always given me polite and careful replies to my questions. Maybe others have had different experiences--I don't know.

Regardless, I don't see what Ron K's demeanor has to do with what I'm saying--i.e., that the man posseses a great deal of technical knowledge about detailing techniques, detailing chemicals, auto paint, etc. etc.

My reply to RIC was to refute his insinuation that Ron K. doesn't know what he is talking about. If RIC or anybody else has a problem with his demeanor--they should comment on that, rather than commenting on the man's knowledge--unless they can refute what Ron K. is saying--and I ain't seen that happen yet.

[RIC]

The post you are referring to talks about flex agents in paint. Do you know what kind of flex agent is in Zaino? Did Ron chemically analyze Zaino and find that there is no flex agent? All Ron does is explain why the paint flex agents would not make sense in a paint sealant in his opinion.

JS writes, "unless they can refute what Ron K. is saying--and I ain't seen that happen yet."

Zaino definitely does contain a flex agent.

This is Ron's background from his website:"He has an extensive business background in many sales and marketing fields ranging from writing instruments to automotive chemicals."
I don't think he even has a chemical engineering degree...correct me if I am wrong. From what he writes, he gives the impression that he does.

[Edited by RIC on 07-27-2001 at 07:36 PM]

[JS]

Really, who cares whether you "disrespect" Ron K. or about how he had the "audacity" not to take "Sal's phone call". Why don't you, or Sal, or somebody refute his points instead of worrying about that kind of stuff.

[JS]

Another ad hominem attack. Have YOU chemically analyzed Zaino? How do you know it does have a "flex agent" in it. Because "Sal told me so", that's how.

As far as whether or not Ron has a chemical engineering degree--that doesn't mean the man doesn't know his business.

My Father (now retired) was a chemical engineer with IBM for over thirty years. Held several patents for chemical processes used to develop and manufacture electrical wiring and semiconductors--but he didn't have a chemical engineering degree either.

[Don2000g]

Ron K. knows his stuff. Period. He knows more than most of us for sure. Very friendly guy. Always eager to help out when he can. For the most part, very positive and extremely informative. He has helped many of us out with specific issues, specific models, specific paint issues on specific issues, specific leather problems, etc.....I don't care if he has a chemical or nuclear engineering degree or what. He knows his stuff. Whether he acquired that knowledge via a degree or with extensive work with the big 3 automakers, I don't care. He knows his stuff and that's all that matters. Laters.

[darbh]

Re Ron K, an earlier poster in this thread wrote:

"Nor have I found him to look down on others."

If you do a search on the word "monkeys" and "Ron Ketcham" you will find a post where Ron said the following in reference to employees who clean cars:

"When you have 46 monkeys, working in the heat, humidity etc, they don't pay attention . . . but the QC Supervisor does."



[Edited by darbh on 07-28-2001 at 02:31 AM]