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solekeeper · 11-07-09, 04:20

I'm currently using the 3m Extra cut at the shop, but I wanted something the equivalent to it.

Can you recommend something?

Got_Leather · 11-07-09, 05:59

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

1500 scratches are pretty severe (I'd always follow up with a milder paper), and I question who effective M105 will be on them. To me, that sounds more like a job for something like 3m Extra Cut or some other rocks-in-a-bottle compound.

Accumulator you are dead on. I wasn't going to mention anything else since the OP mentioned 105 but there are quite a few of compounds that remove sanding marks easier. For instance, Ardex 1500

bufferbarry · 11-07-09, 06:25

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Originally Posted by Got_Leather

Accumulator you are dead on. I wasn't going to mention anything else since the OP mentioned 105 but there are quite a few of compounds that remove sanding marks easier. For instance, Ardex 1500

While your right about ardex 1500 removing sand marks quicker. Its design is to remove sand marks on freshly painted panels. There 1000 will remove 1500 sand marks like a hot knife threw butter. There both very amazing compounds. If ardex 1500 would be apart of the marketing hype and frenzy of these distributers it would take over the industry hands down. Its not a box of rocks compound. Funny thing is Ill bet if you compared the ingredients in Menzerna products and they ingrediants in Ardex there may be a lot of common chemicals.

Now you want to talk a box of rocks compound you need to go back to the old 3m Micro finish it I think. It came in a paint can. I can remember having to wrap a paper towel around a paint stick dipping it in the can and tossing it on the car it was that thick. Thats the problem with all these new compounds today. LIke Meg. 105 people talk how heavy this stuff is. Rating it a 12 on a scale of 10 lmfao more like a 6. If you know the old school stuff and been at this you know there is not one compound on the market that cuts like the old school ones. I can remember removing orange peel in clearcoat with a compound and wool pad using a tumbling technique. People wonder today why these orange pads and m105 don't cut enough or it takes them 30 passes to remove swirls or sand marks. Then they burn it because of all the heat and friction. Why not just go right to a wool pad? Work a day with me and ILl change everything you ever thought about TRUELY leveling paint is!!!!! Anyway have a great night boys!

bufferbarry · 11-07-09, 06:26

Oh yea purple wool foam sucks!!!!! get a real wool pad,

drifts500 · 11-07-09, 09:14

Sorry, but what is difference between 85u and 85rd ??? both have final finish

the_invisible · 11-07-09, 10:11

On some extremely hard surfaces, it is possible to get a near LSP-ready finish with M105 and the solo Burgandy heavy cutting wool pad. I have achieved exactly that on my BMW 335i coupe Sapphire Metallic paint. The clear coat was so hard that M105 did not leave any swirls or nicks that dread detailers working on softer paint. Of course, paint with that kind of hardness is rare even from BMW.

Personally, I like the Purple Foamed Wool. I cannot explain why, but on some paints I think I get a much smoother fiinish with it than from the LC orange cutting pad when using M105. Also, the PFW doesn't require a lot of pressure to get the pad going. With the orange pad, a lot of pressure and products are needed. The PFW is a very good pad. Some people like it, some hate it. You have to try it to decide. I am not a professional detailer and I wash my car diligently, so a PFW is aggressive enough for me in most cases. I have the W5000 and solo pads at my disposal in case I need some serious corrections.

PO85u has slightly more cut than PO85RD. PO85RD, with finer abrasives, is able to finish much smoother than PO85u. Honestly, to even the enthusiasts, it is very hard to tell the difference between PO85u and PO85RD. We are comparing very similar ultra-fine finishing polishes here.

Got_Leather · 11-07-09, 10:15

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Originally Posted by the_invisible

On some extremely hard surfaces, it is possible to get a near LSP-ready finish with M105 and the solo Burgandy heavy cutting wool pad. I have achieved exactly that on my BMW 335i coupe Sapphire Metallic paint. The clear coat was so hard that M105 did not leave any swirls or nicks that dread detailers working on softer paint. Of course, paint with that kind of hardness is rare even from BMW.

Personally, I like the Purple Foamed Wool. I cannot explain why, but on some paints I think I get a much smoother fiinish with it than from the LC orange cutting pad when using M105. It is a very good pad. Some people like it, some hate it. I am not a professional detailer and I wash my car diligently, so a PFW is aggressive enough for me. I have the W5000 and solo pads at my disposal in case I need some serious corrections.

It's not that 105 doesn't finish out great for what it does, but it does not have the gloss of a true finishing polish suck as 85rd. Even if the paint I am working on is perfect, 85rd takes it to another level in gloss.

the_invisible · 11-07-09, 10:16

Don't get me wrong. I would never stop after M105 without some finer polish. Being nearly LSP-ready is still not LSP ready, in my opinion.

Got_Leather · 11-07-09, 10:23

Agreed.....

bogi094 · 11-08-09, 06:40

how well does M205 finish with the HydroTech Tangerine pad? I'm looking to get some finishing polish soon, but I dont need something expensive like menzerna, megs fit my bill

Got_Leather · 11-08-09, 06:42

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Originally Posted by bogi094

how well does M205 finish with the HydroTech Tangerine pad? I'm looking to get some finishing polish soon, but I dont need something expensive like menzerna, megs fit my bill

It can finish down great, but you won't get the same gloss that you do with Menzerna. A lot of it is technique.

Accumulator · 11-08-09, 08:08

Got Leather & buffer barry- Heh heh, I *knew* somebody'd bring up Ardex

I didn't do it myself as I've never used the stuff.... Yeah, people who think M105 is sooo aggressive just haven't tried anything that *really* is.

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Originally Posted by bogi094

how well does M205 finish with the HydroTech Tangerine pad? I'm looking to get some finishing polish soon, but I dont need something expensive like menzerna, megs fit my bill

It oughta finish out as well as M205 can finish out. IME using a really soft pad doesn't change the final result; using a merely soft-enough pad works just as well.

I bet you'll be *very* happy with that combo.