Kandy color paint jobs..

toyotaguy · 11-06-09, 02:06

does it matter if its a kandy color job or not on how hard the clear is? I mean, is it like the hard cerami-clear on ALL Mercedes, or can it be either? Is it a process or what...

RaskyR1 · 11-06-09, 02:13

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Originally Posted by toyotaguy

does it matter if its a kandy color job or not on how hard the clear is? I mean, is it like the hard cerami-clear on ALL Mercedes, or can it be either? Is it a process or what...

The final step is still clear coat so it will depend on what they used for clear.

toyotaguy · 11-06-09, 02:56

oh ok, I am not a painter, so I had to ask!

Darkstar752 · 11-06-09, 02:59

There's almost always going to be a clear coat over it. The clear hardness will vary since it is a custom paint job, based on the shop, but I think the clear will be on the harder side since it's a metallic.

toyotaguy · 11-06-09, 03:05

yeah always a clear, I just didnt know if the "kandy" part was the clear or the paint...

MuttGrunt · 11-06-09, 03:13

^ Well let me help you with my little knowledge of auto paint.

"Candy-coated paint" is actually just a tinted clear-coat. By adding color to the clear-coat, it will make an additional affect over a metallic paint job. When you combine this tinted clear with large metallic flakes underneath, the paint really pops a lot while giving a different look than normal. Red, blue, yellow, purple, etc pigments can all be used to give various affects.

How hard the clear is will be determined by what they used - not the tint/color/"kandy"

The PPG Cerami-clears that have been popular with MB, BMW, Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc are extremely hard and are made to be such. You won't find that same clear in an aftermarket job however- it's not an application used in shops, but is rather part of their production-focused product groupings made for bigger manufacturers. One such problem is that they apparently need to bake the cerami-clears at 400 degrees (F)... such a thing would cause major problems for interiors, plastic trim, rubber trim, gasoline/fuel/liquids still in the car, etc as you can imagine

David Fermani · 11-06-09, 04:27

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Originally Posted by Darkstar752

There's almost always going to be a clear coat over it. The clear hardness will vary since it is a custom paint job, based on the shop, but I think the clear will be on the harder side since it's a metallic.

Whether the base is metallic or not, it has no affect on the overall hardness of the final clear.

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Originally Posted by MuttGrunt

^ Well let me help you with my little knowledge of auto paint.

"Candy-coated paint" is actually just a tinted clear-coat. By adding color to the clear-coat, it will make an additional affect over a metallic paint job. When you combine this tinted clear with large metallic flakes underneath, the paint really pops a lot while giving a different look than normal. Red, blue, yellow, purple, etc pigments can all be used to give various affects.

How hard the clear is will be determined by what they used - not the tint/color/"kandy"

The PPG Cerami-clears that have been popular with MB, BMW, Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc are extremely hard and are made to be such. You won't find that same clear in an aftermarket job however- it's not an application used in shops, but is rather part of their production-focused product groupings made for bigger manufacturers. One such problem is that they apparently need to bake the cerami-clears at 400 degrees (F)... such a thing would cause major problems for interiors, plastic trim, rubber trim, gasoline/fuel/liquids still in the car, etc as you can imagine

Very good explanation MuttGrunt, but I'd like to add by saying that on candy paint, the clear isn't always tinted.

RaskyR1 · 11-06-09, 04:32

My understanding of Kandy was that there is a base color (usually gold or silver), then a Kandy color which is semi transparent, and then the clear coat. I guess a tinted clear would have a similar effect though.

toyotaguy · 11-06-09, 04:37

Matt, thanks a lot for the explanation! That makes sense about the baking at the factory, not in a booth!

jaynick808 · 11-06-09, 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuttGrunt

^ Well let me help you with my little knowledge of auto paint.

"Candy-coated paint" is actually just a tinted clear-coat. By adding color to the clear-coat, it will make an additional affect over a metallic paint job. When you combine this tinted clear with large metallic flakes underneath, the paint really pops a lot while giving a different look than normal. Red, blue, yellow, purple, etc pigments can all be used to give various affects.

How hard the clear is will be determined by what they used - not the tint/color/"kandy"

The PPG Cerami-clears that have been popular with MB, BMW, Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc are extremely hard and are made to be such. You won't find that same clear in an aftermarket job however- it's not an application used in shops, but is rather part of their production-focused product groupings made for bigger manufacturers. One such problem is that they apparently need to bake the cerami-clears at 400 degrees (F)... such a thing would cause major problems for interiors, plastic trim, rubber trim, gasoline/fuel/liquids still in the car, etc as you can imagine

^^^

bufferbarry · 11-07-09, 05:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuttGrunt

^ Well let me help you with my little knowledge of auto paint.

"Candy-coated paint" is actually just a tinted clear-coat. By adding color to the clear-coat, it will make an additional affect over a metallic paint job. When you combine this tinted clear with large metallic flakes underneath, the paint really pops a lot while giving a different look than normal. Red, blue, yellow, purple, etc pigments can all be used to give various affects.

How hard the clear is will be determined by what they used - not the tint/color/"kandy"

The PPG Cerami-clears that have been popular with MB, BMW, Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc are extremely hard and are made to be such. You won't find that same clear in an aftermarket job however- it's not an application used in shops, but is rather part of their production-focused product groupings made for bigger manufacturers. One such problem is that they apparently need to bake the cerami-clears at 400 degrees (F)... such a thing would cause major problems for interiors, plastic trim, rubber trim, gasoline/fuel/liquids still in the car, etc as you can imagine

And who said military guys are stupid?

That a great answer

Danase · 11-07-09, 06:47

I used to mix paint when I worked for a custom boat trailer builder. It's really dependent on the color and brand and how they manufacturer specs a color out. Most of the time I'd add pearl to the paint itself but on occasion, like if we had to match a custom boat or car color, we might have to add it to the clear.