Applying products over uncured sealants (DWG over UPGP)

Danforz · 10-30-09, 03:58

Hey guys

I have a question regarding the curing of UPGP and applying DWG over it with out allowing it to cure.

I got this idea from a pro detailer on here. He would apply wax right after applying Z5. The loss in durability was no consequence because he saw that car ever 4 months or so.

So in my case, lets assume UPGP gets only a 1 hour cure time prior to applying DWG (by hand). What are your expectations for loss of durability/looks?

yakky · 10-30-09, 06:38

I'm not sure what problem you are trying to solve. Call me a naysayer, but you could just get similar looks with another product and not play home chemist and compromise on protection/durability.

Danforz · 10-30-09, 07:14

Naysayer,

what product would develop the looks of DWG + UPGP as they are described on this forum?

SuperBee364 · 10-30-09, 10:47

UPGP does take a long time to cure. I always put down the DWG first, *then* the UPGP. Looks great, lasts a long time. Not sure why you would want to put the UPGP down first?

yakky · 10-31-09, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Danforz

Naysayer,

what product would develop the looks of DWG + UPGP as they are described on this forum?

That's it exactly, nothing. However the combo mixed together without proper curing times will likely be beat by a single step product. I'm thinking you are going to be the worst out of each by not applying it correctly. But let us know how it goes. Do half a panel the right way and half the quick way.

Danforz · 11-01-09, 01:31

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

UPGP does take a long time to cure. I always put down the DWG first, *then* the UPGP. Looks great, lasts a long time. Not sure why you would want to put the UPGP down first?

I take it then DWG has no cure time? Additionally, don't you put the best looking product on last - in this case I'd assume its the DWG?

SuperBee364 · 11-01-09, 02:46

DAG has no cure time, and I've gotten great results by putting upgp over it. IMO, DWG is best used as pre-LSP, like a regular glaze.

Danforz · 11-01-09, 03:25

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

DAG has no cure time, and I've gotten great results by putting upgp over it. IMO, DWG is best used as pre-LSP, like a regular glaze.

Interesting. I may give that a try. However, assuming that UPGP last longer than DWG, wouldn't you be losing durability?

SuperBee364 · 11-03-09, 10:25

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Originally Posted by Danforz

Interesting. I may give that a try. However, assuming that UPGP last longer than DWG, wouldn't you be losing durability?

Probably, but the DWG/UPGP combo is so durable that I can't leave the paint alone long enough to see exactly how long it *does* last. I've had DWG/UPGP last through four winter months.

IME, DWG is best applied with a PC, and really worked into the paint. Doing that over the top of any other LSP is gonna take it off really quick.

And if you compare the look of a hand-applied layer of DWG to one that has been machine buffed, you really can tell the difference; the machined panel will look better.

Even though the bottle says it can be layered, etc., remember that it is marketed as a "glaze", and glazes are meant to be applied as a base coat, prior to your primary LSP.

vtec92civic · 11-03-09, 10:34

for those that don't have a pc, can you apply DWG via a rotary at a very slow speed with a blue lc pad or something?

Danforz · 11-03-09, 10:49

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Probably, but the DWG/UPGP combo is so durable that I can't leave the paint alone long enough to see exactly how long it *does* last. I've had DWG/UPGP last through four winter months.

IME, DWG is best applied with a PC, and really worked into the paint. Doing that over the top of any other LSP is gonna take it off really quick.

And if you compare the look of a hand-applied layer of DWG to one that has been machine buffed, you really can tell the difference; the machined panel will look better.

Even though the bottle says it can be layered, etc., remember that it is marketed as a "glaze", and glazes are meant to be applied as a base coat, prior to your primary LSP.

Superbee, thank you for the heads up. I will follow our advice to the T and take some photos next opportunity.

Danforz · 11-03-09, 10:54

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Probably, but the DWG/UPGP combo is so durable that I can't leave the paint alone long enough to see exactly how long it *does* last. I've had DWG/UPGP last through four winter months.

IME, DWG is best applied with a PC, and really worked into the paint. Doing that over the top of any other LSP is gonna take it off really quick.

And if you compare the look of a hand-applied layer of DWG to one that has been machine buffed, you really can tell the difference; the machined panel will look better.

Even though the bottle says it can be layered, etc., remember that it is marketed as a "glaze", and glazes are meant to be applied as a base coat, prior to your primary LSP.

Superbee, thank you for the heads up. I will follow our advice to the T and take some photos next opportunity.