For all you TOUCHLESS washers out there

[chefwong]

Do you high pressure rinse before you do a foam soaking...

I am going to give it a whirl and try a touchless wash routine.

Or maybe I should just take this in baby steps and SEE whether a foam dwell time with traditional mitt wash helps cut down the marring...on soft paint.

Just looking to refine the technique. Washing IMO takes precedence more over polishing, etc.

[SuperBee364]

Yes, i do an extremely thorough HP rinse fitst.

The two most important things, IME/O, for the best touch-free results: the LSP and the soap.

You need an LSP that freely gives up whatever is sticking to it. Overall, wax-based LSP's are best at this, as 'nuba swells when it gets wet. Some sealants are good at spitting stuff off, too, like UPGP and 1000P. DWG (touted as a glaze) has a sealant base, and it does well with touch free washs, too. My *least* favorite for touch free use is zaino.

Most car soaps have very little real, detergent-type of action, they concentrate on being a lubrication for your wash mitt. You want a *soap*; something that is meant to chemically clean ( but gentle enough to not take off your LSP in the process). Right now, my fav for this is CG's Citrus Wash N Gloss.

Let us know how it goes for you.

[chefwong]

SUP -

I have read your mixture....I plan to do 2oz CG and 2oz Griots and then test/adjust from there.


It will be CR Spotless feeding the PW.

I've yet to take this to the ~lawn blower~ dryer technique though.
We'll see depending on dirt level, but I've always tended to do WAUD with any QD as a lube when drying for ages now.

[IC3DT3]

SuperBee,

In addition to UPGP and FK1000P, are there any other sealant you recommend? OOS maybe?

Also, do you have any specific waxes you recommend? I think I read in another post you like Vintage?

[efnfast]

Unless you're using some really harsh chemicals that just demolish the dirt (and probably any wax and trim you have), I don't think it's possible to do a 100% autopean wash (meaning 0 marring and 0 dirt) with a touchless method - you need some form of aggitation to remove the base layer of dirt that all the pressure washing in the world won't remove.

[SuperBee364]

Originally Posted by chefwong

SUP -

I have read your mixture....I plan to do 2oz CG and 2oz Griots and then test/adjust from there.


It will be CR Spotless feeding the PW.

I've yet to take this to the ~lawn blower~ dryer technique though.
We'll see depending on dirt level, but I've always tended to do WAUD with any QD as a lube when drying for ages now.

Anxious to hear your results!

Originally Posted by IC3DT3

SuperBee,

In addition to UPGP and FK1000P, are there any other sealant you recommend? OOS maybe?

Also, do you have any specific waxes you recommend? I think I read in another post you like Vintage?

Yeah, it's true that I do love Vintage. It is *unreal* how well and how *easily* it comes clean.

Unfortunately, DWG, UPGP and 1000P are the only sealants I've tried that really pass the touchless wash test. There's still quite a list of sealants left to try, though.

Originally Posted by efnfast

Unless you're using some really harsh chemicals that just demolish the dirt (and probably any wax and trim you have), I don't think it's possible to do a 100% autopean wash (meaning 0 marring and 0 dirt) with a touchless method - you need some form of aggitation to remove the base layer of dirt that all the pressure washing in the world won't remove.

Ah yes, I've seen/responded to exactly this kind of post before, many times in my touchfree wash posts/rants. And honestly, I don't blame you; it's pretty tough to imagine someone getting their car *clean* to Autopian levels using a completely touch free method, especially if their car is *dirty*. I'm here to tell ya, it *can* be done, and I do it *regularly*. I have a thread around here with pictures to prove it, and fellow Autopian Greg Nichols has seen me do it many times. I stand by my method 100%.

It took well over a year of trying out different soaps and LSP's, but the results have been worth the effort. Well, and it was kinda fun, too.

[Greg Nichols]

Originally Posted by chefwong

SUP -

I have read your mixture....I plan to do 2oz CG and 2oz Griots and then test/adjust from there.


It will be CR Spotless feeding the PW.

I've yet to take this to the ~lawn blower~ dryer technique though.
We'll see depending on dirt level, but I've always tended to do WAUD with any QD as a lube when drying for ages now.

I would NOT use your CR to feed the PW. The DI water is harsh on brass and other metals. I have seen it oxidate brass parts. Use the DI water to rinse only.

Cheers,
GREG

[Greg Nichols]

Originally Posted by efnfast

Unless you're using some really harsh chemicals that just demolish the dirt (and probably any wax and trim you have), I don't think it's possible to do a 100% autopean wash (meaning 0 marring and 0 dirt) with a touchless method - you need some form of aggitation to remove the base layer of dirt that all the pressure washing in the world won't remove.

I have learned from SuperBee, and do it all the time. If you let your car get pretty dirty it might be harder, but allowing your car to get that dirty is not Autopean either lol.

Granted sometimes I take my exploder off road and it gets very dirty I just do a double wash and break out the lambs wool mitt if necessary using a two bucket system in conjunction to the foam cannon. All the marring I get are not from washing/drying but others rubbing against the car


Cheers,
GREG

[nonsensez9]

now that you guys mention it.... I used UPGP on my mustang this summer and primarily used the coin-op once or twice a week. It worked pretty good and very little dirt wiped off on the dry towel.

On the other hand... I recently used NXT 2.0 on my Xterra and the coin-op doesn't work as well on it. I'll have to try the UPGP on it sometime.

[salty]

This was my summer routine, once or twice a week.

476 on white car, $2 at wand coin-op with R.O. rinse and a short highway run to dry.

Some brake dust and a few water spots but rinsed mostly clean for just over a month.

Proper wash and another layer of 476 and that was about it for the summer.

[proman3998]

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Yes, i do an extremely thorough HP rinse fitst.

The two most important things, IME/O, for the best touch-free results: the LSP and the soap.

You need an LSP that freely gives up whatever is sticking to it. Overall, wax-based LSP's are best at this, as 'nuba swells when it gets wet. Some sealants are good at spitting stuff off, too, like UPGP and 1000P. DWG (touted as a glaze) has a sealant base, and it does well with touch free washs, too. My *least* favorite for touch free use is zaino.

Most car soaps have very little real, detergent-type of action, they concentrate on being a lubrication for your wash mitt. You want a *soap*; something that is meant to chemically clean ( but gentle enough to not take off your LSP in the process). Right now, my fav for this is CG's Citrus Wash N Gloss.

Let us know how it goes for you.

why is your least favorite zaino? i use all zaino products on my car and i love them, i also want to go to a touchless type wash....do you think i will be dissapointed?

[Dsoto87]

I think its his least favorite because it doesnt release dirt/grime as well as the other sealants. (I thought I saw him mention that before)

UPGP is awesome at releasing grime. Nothing sticks to that stuff. Just using a regular water hose I can get the car 95% dirt free.