I want to add a glaze to my process, where does it fit in?

Less · 11-20-08, 12:55

So daily driver's are never perfect. But with a DA polisher, practice, and patience, I can get my car to where I'm pretty satisfied. But I was thinking recently that a glaze might help me clean up that last 2 - 5 % of the defects.

So after polishing, I'll put down 2 coats of Klasse SG, and then top with a wax. Right now my car is wearing Collinite 845, but in the summer I'll be using Souveran.

Here is what I currently have for glaze options. I'm not really interested in purchasing something new until some of these are used up. (Unless somebody wants to trade)

Megs #7 Show car Glaze
Mother's Step 2 Sealer/Glaze
Pinnacle XMT Finishing Glaze w/Carnauba

I was thinking I could use the Megs #7 right after polishing and before the KSG. My question: Will the KSG still bond and protect well on top of the #7?

The Mother's Sealer/Glaze, I found out from Mother's forums, actually has no 'sealing' properties at all. Apparently there is a difference between a sealER and a sealANT. One actually does something, the other is just a fancy name. I'm inclined to just toss this stuff in the garbage.

The Pinnacle Finishing Glaze w/Carnauba is more of an LSP type product. Could I use this on top of KSG but before a regular 'nuba? My theory is that the KSG will prevent the glaze from actually filling any defects in, and subsequently create problems with the wax.

So it sounds like the #7 is where I want to go. So will the KSG still bond? If not, I'll probably just use it in the summertime and leave the KSG out of the process.

Also - I already know that the "G" in KSG stands for glaze, so don't bother pointing that out. I just don't think it's very effective at filling in defects IMO.

BigJimZ28 · 11-20-08, 01:03

Yes you would use it after polishing before a LSP

No KSG will not bond to an oil based glaze(all the glazes you list are oil based)

so you can use a wax instead of the KSG
or use an acrylic based glaze like DWG before the KSG

IMO some glazes do hide a little but not much
but don't be surprised if they don't hide like you want

Inzane · 11-20-08, 01:04

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Originally Posted by Less

I was thinking I could use the Megs #7 right after polishing and before the KSG. My question: Will the KSG still bond and protect well on top of the #7?

So it sounds like the #7 is where I want to go. So will the KSG still bond?

Nope. Absolutely not.

I doubt KSG would properly bond to any of Meguiar's polishes and glazes. They all tend to be very rich in oils, especially #7.

Less · 11-20-08, 01:15

Just as I suspected.

I think I'll wait until spring then and try the glaze without the KSG and then just top it with a wax.

I've got my car kind of where I want it right now so I'm not going to do anything to it except maintain it with washing and spray wax. But my wife's car is a blank slate and I'm getting ready to tackle that in the near future. It's a dark blue '06 Toyota Sienna. I was going to use the same process that I use on my own car, but I want to start using up some of the other products that I have accumulated over the years and try out some different combos.

How does this process sound

1) XMT 3 with Orange LC Pad
2) XMT 1 with White LC Pad
3) Megs #7
4) Collinite 845 x2 (do I need to wait between coats)

zxpwr · 11-20-08, 01:18

does the Menzerna Finishing Glaze PO 115C have any oils in it? I bought a kit from AG and it came with the glaze, never used it though...

EDIT: never mind, according to AG description it does have oils in it. water based but with oils... although AG recommends Wolfgang Sealant to top it off.

BigJimZ28 · 11-20-08, 01:20

that sounds good but one other thing

IMO the glaze will cut the lifespan of the Colinite

so for me I would skip it for now and do two layes of 845
to get through the winter then add the glaze to your summer prep

Less · 11-20-08, 01:22

Maybe a stupid questions, but what about putting a glaze over KSG then topping with a wax?

BigJimZ28 · 11-20-08, 01:25

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Originally Posted by zxpwr

does the Menzerna Finishing Glaze PO 115C have any oils in it? I bought a kit from AG and it came with the glaze, never used it though...

EDIT: never mind, according to AG description it does have oils in it. water based but with oils... although AG recommends Wolfgang Sealant to top it off.

most glaze are oil based unless they say acrylic

some sealants will bond to some glazes
But KSG is not one of the

I have not used the Wolfgang sealant so I am not sure about it

Less · 11-20-08, 01:27

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Originally Posted by BigJimZ28

that sounds good but one other thing

IMO the glaze will cut the lifespan of the Colinite

so for me I would skip it for now and do two layes of 845
to get through the winter then add the glaze to your summer prep

Makes sense. Any chance that the XMT Finishing glaze w/carnauba won't cut the life of the wax on top?

Obviously, I don't want to add a glaze into the process if it isn't going to accomplish anything, but even if it helps just a little I would like to do it. 1) I enjoy detailing and 2) I'm trying to use up a lot of the products that I have accumulated over the years.

I also have some XMT 360 and Megs #9. I'll have to find a use for those sooner or later.

jefftheman · 11-20-08, 01:29

To me, a glaze was designed for a show car that would not see the elements. It was to be used for a show and give off a wet, glossy look for a short time.

Inzane · 11-20-08, 01:36

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Originally Posted by Less

Maybe a stupid questions, but what about putting a glaze over KSG then topping with a wax?

Well, I suppose you could do that. However, you'd have to redo all your prep work if you ever wanted to add additional layer(s) of KSG.

But to be honest I've never heard of people putting a glaze BETWEEN their sealant and carnuaba topper.

What's the point?

Accumulator · 11-21-08, 10:33

IIRC people have done the glaze-over-sealant thing, but only for specific reasons (e.g., a car show) and the whole thing alway left me sorta

If you want to do some concealing (and IME it won't be all that significant), I'd try the Meg's glaze over their #9 and I'd top with something like NXT.

As I've posted a zillion times, if I use KSG I don't top it; I want to be able to add more. The ability to layer is a huge part of why I use KSG in the first place, and giving that up for whatever reason is never worth it to me. If you have flaws you want to conceal, I'd just go with a different approach and save the Klasse twins for vehciles that are basically marring-free.