Collinite 476S - Page 2

Accumulator · 09-06-08, 03:46

qwertydude- I'll be interested to hear if you run into any layering issues. It's only happened *one* time for me with 476S, but when it *did* happen the resulting pseudo-holograms were a real PIA to buff out without causing any marring. Every other time I layered it things went smoothly, but that one bad experience really made an impression on me.

Intersting that you get a finish you're happy with using only the M105 (I can never really evaluate such stuff from a pic but if you're happy with it that's all that matters IMO). I always find additional burnishing/jeweling types of final polishing to be worthwhile, but hey, it's just more YMMV stuff.

sweetlou- 476S should always be applied with a damp applicator. I never find any big difference in *types* of applicators, so I'd recommend you just use whatever you like (but use it damp).

qwertydude · 09-07-08, 12:13

This is my first time with 476s but not my first time for paste waxes. I've never run into any layering issues except if I didn't let the previous coat dry completely or didn't set with water I'd get a streaky look that required lots of buffing. Those pseudo holograms from the residual oil are easily taken care of with water, in my case distilled water, since I keep a spray bottle of it for my M105 polishing technique. I often wax in the hot sun too, polish in the shade of course, since I like to make sure the wax dries completely. Never had any problems with it sticking to the paint. It always let go with minimal effort I attribute this to smooth paint. I did find that during subsequent layers of 476s that the wax came off easier and easier, although getting all the residual oils off did take lots of buffing, turning and more buffing of the cloth. No hard pressure to cause marring. I think it's due to the cellulose sponge putting a much more even and thinner coat of wax then comparable foam applicators. Foam applicators don't retain as much water as cellulose so I find that they don't coat quite as evenly as good ol' cellulose.

blk45 · 09-07-08, 04:55

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shots of my absolutely flawless hood.

There are flaws in your "flawless" hood.

Spilchy · 09-07-08, 05:35

Interesting tin of 476s. I guess I have the old version which is horrible (the tin). I can't fit my applicator in there and it doesn't close tight.

I'll have to wait a while for a new tin since it'll take eons to use it up.

I get like 4 months out of 476s but it goes flat on my hood quicker. The IW lasts ages on my wheels. I just clean up with car wash soap. I guess given its intended purpose of protecting from high heat, it works great on the hot wheels.

Bigpoppa3346 · 09-07-08, 06:02

Don't tell me you used a kitchen sponge to apply wax.

Accumulator · 09-07-08, 09:28

qwertydude- Glad to hear you're not running into any issues layering the 476S. I still dunno what I did/didn't do that caused my issues...after 30-some years of using paste waxes you'd think I'd have it all figured out by now

Bigpoppa3346- Eh...I've used those kinds of sponges countless times and they've always worked fine. I suppose there's some combo of a specific sponge and a certain paint that'd be a bad idea, but generally those cellulose sponges are plenty soft and gentle, especially when damp and lubricated with wax. I know it sounds less-than-Autopian, but really, they work OK.

Spilchy- Yeah...that sure looks newfangled compared to the old 476S tins, huh?

qwertydude · 09-07-08, 10:07

When I mean flawless I mean that there are no residual polishing trails, holograms, or micro-marring from the polishing process, especially because I one step it with M105 then go to LSP.

This car is 4 years old, has 80,000 miles and sees use as a daily driver, goes off road on a semi regular basis, spent 2 years in Connecticut winters when I didn't wash it for the whole winters cause it was cold, drives lots of freeways and gets no special treatment from me other than my polishing every season. There are deep scratches here and there paint chips galore on the front, and tons of scrapes to the metal on the bed area. Yet I have everyone ask me if it's brand new still.

I really like Accumulators approach, Practical Perfectionist. That's what I'd call myself too, I don't want to polish out my deeper swirls, some of them are DEEP. I'd be thinning my paint to dangerous levels if I did every season anyways. But I mean
30 years and I think Accumulator's got the right approach. I used to keep my old saturn perfect. Lot's of polishing and even borrowed a detailer friends paint thickness guage. Turns out it's not as accurate on the plastic panels and I ended up going down to the base coat in couple areas. After that I learned to live with the deepr swirls cause by daily use. And the occasional friends sliding across the hood a la Starsky and Hutch cause it was so slick.

But I like cellulose sponges, much like a lot of people like grout sponges. I still remember the dark ages before microfibers. When people would use cotton on there cars. Sounds barbaric but some old methods still work. If I have a car where the wax won't budge I find that a cotton terry will break that wax no problem whereas microfiber wouldn't even touch it.

By the way what did the old 476s can look like? I wonder because I read on the can that it's "New, fast, easy to use..." and I thought this stuff looked ancient.

BigAl3 · 09-07-08, 11:26

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By the way what did the old 476s can look like?

Accumulator · 09-07-08, 03:38

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...I read on the can that it's "New, fast, easy to use..." .

Heh heh glad I stocked up on the old pre-VOC stuff that's more like "Old, time consuming, and hard to use"

Just kidding about the "hard to use" but some people do make it sound like a real workout (probably because they put it on too thick).

But seriously, I do wonder if the current, post-VOC version is a little different, at least with regard to its solvents/carrier agents. That might explain diffferences when it comes to layering. Back when the VOC regs were looming, the guys at Collinite made it sound like reformulating some of their stuff was turning out to be quite a challenge (which is why I stocked up on the old 476S).

I can't discern *any* differences between pre/post-VOC 845, but I've never tried the newer 476S. Dunno if I ever *will* what with all the old stuff I have on hand!