Casual waxer, new to sealers, looking for help - Page 2

99blackSE · 07-16-08, 06:46

If you want a sealant, I've heard good things about Werkstat for darks.

Maybe also FK1000?

For caranubas you can't go wrong with Collonite.

mongo · 07-16-08, 06:57

Since using by hand I would do this.

Use Meguiars Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner then follow with Meg's # 20 Polymer sealant
repeat this process three times a year that wil give you total coverage maybe getting by doing that process twice a year.

The deep crystal cleaner will make the paint look deep with the oils in it then the # 20 sealant is bright and seal it in its a good combo

Also don't have to use any quick detailer either I suggest a good car wash like Meguiars # 62 car wash.

mvw2 · 07-16-08, 09:02

For prep, I generally use a glaze/swirl remover to take care of any swirl marks. For the infrequency between waxings, I always have some to take care of. After that, I have a smooth, flawless clearcoat to wax over.

What exactly are these "oils" doing? I guess I just don't get what you can do over a plastic.

I've heard Collonite mentioned again and again, even before I signed up for this site, that and P21S among a couple others. I'm still concerned about waxes lasting, although I know some do fair a good deal longer than others.

Should I just completely give up on sealants? Aren't they supposed to be superior to waxes for durability/longevity? Is the only way to go with a sealer to do a sealer + wax? If I'm waxing anyways, why am I using the sealer?

Is it possible to get the opposite of this, as goofy as it sounds:
04 wrx 2 step 9-5pm=no lunch

Basically, I want the car to not be one giant mirror. Are there waxes/sealers that are more...anti-reflective? I'd just prefer to see the paint underneith rather than the mirror finish of the wax and the trees, sky, ground, etc. around me. Does this make sense? Can I create this? This is why I like the gold trim. You see the gold trim. You get a good, deep luster and the look of the paint but not reflections of the surroundings.

backwoods_lex · 07-16-08, 09:34

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Originally Posted by heyyo302

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I used Collonite 845 the last time I waxed (but I am always using something different) and noticed that it actually repels dirt more than other waxes. I haven't washed in a week and my car still looks nice even after repeated rains. That's a pretty good bonus.

It sounds like you take a lot of pride in your vehicle. Pat youself on the back. You may want to think about investing in a polisher. You can combine the cleaning, polishing, and protecting steps into 1 and reduce a lot of time (and probably end up with a better finish too!). Let us know what you decide on.

mvw2 · 07-16-08, 09:58

Frankly I have no clue what to decide on. I know what I want to see. I just don't know how to get there.

Hmm...pride in my vehicle... Not really. I treat it rather poorly, lol. There's a love affair, but it's more towards function than looks. I like it because it does things, not because it looks pretty. In all reality, the Forester is not a beautiful, shapely car. However, that doesn't mean the paint can't be protected and the car dressed up. Here's my car in its winter wear. Consider months without a wash not uncommon.

However, I do clean it up once in a while. My goal is to find a product or perhaps products that can let me continue my lax cleaning relationship but offer the protection I need to maintain a healthy, long term paint finish. This is why I'm looking into options with better longevity.

My other goal is simply to create the certain look I'd like to see. I'm just not sure what products lean towards that end goal or if that type of look is possible/repeatable on the blue paint surface. For some reason, unknown to me, it works right on the gold trim. I'm sure it just isn't as a smooth and glossy finish being painted/colored, plastic trim. Words like non-reflective, matte, and satin come to mind.

Is there a sealer/wax/something type of product that will create a matte/flatter look? I know this is common for dash and tire treatments, but is there a product for waxing to approach the same effect?

Something towards this effect but not so drastic. I understand the finish is like this on those cars, but I'd like to find a product that would create a non-reflective effect like this, something I could apply and wax over to give a deep, wet look without all the reflections.
Luckily - the factories are not doing this yet.. - Autopia.org

Accumulator · 07-17-08, 09:19

mvw2- The durability of Collinite 476S *will* rival sealants; I use a scad of different waxes and sealants and the 476S is great in this regard. Sealants will only beat if if the sealants are heavily layered and even then, the Collinite offers unusually good protection against bird bombs and bugs. I've used 476S on outside-24/7 vehicles. It's great for that an no, it won't melt off in the heat. Hey, it's an inexpensive can of wax...not a huge gamble and I'm quite certain you'll be satisfied.

Note that the other wax you mentioned, P21s, won't last long at all (at least compared to the Collinite) and IMO tends towards a "bright", highly reflective look...not what I think you want.

The sheen/etc. of the panels will usually depend more on the paint/surface itself and how it's prepped than it will on the wax/sealant. A wax will tend more towards what you want, but the differences will be pretty minimal in most cases. The finish on the lower sections is simply different stuff than the blue on the upper and you're not gonna get the same look out of both (I've had Subies).

mongo · 07-17-08, 09:43

An Amino-Functional sealant like Meg's 20 will crosslink and offer Max protection.

the ingredients in products are competing against each other Durability,protection,gloss etc.. the ingredients have to be blended to make the best amount of ecah in a product.

I would go with Meg's 20 or Collinte if use Collinite use it over Meg's deep crystal paint cleaner or buy some Werkstatt Prime and Klassse all-in-one one one vehicle use the Klasse top with Collinite then next vehicle use Werktatt Prime plus Colllinte.

mvw2 · 07-17-08, 12:51

Ok.

I've got some final questions.

There are a variety of glazes/pre-wax treatments. Do these allow adjustable options in look, depth, etc.? I'm just curious if there are intermediate products available that allow for some modification to the end look. For example, I have generally used the Mother's 3-step process to go results. Cleaner->glaze->wax plus a second coat of glaze->wax in a week or so. Is it possible to use these cleaners/glazes/sealers to get the different look? Maybe I could attempt a more opaque under layer that would soften and diffuse the light in order to soften up the shine and reflection. I don't know. I don't think many folks attempt the opposite of a mirror-like finish.

miahman98 · 07-17-08, 01:39

I'm with Mongo on this one. Go with Klassse all-in-one and top it with Collinte. It will do the job and give you what your asking for.

mvw2 · 07-17-08, 02:04

Are these products only purchasable online or can I actually find them locally?

phamkl · 07-17-08, 07:07

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Originally Posted by mvw2

Ok.

I've got some final questions.

There are a variety of glazes/pre-wax treatments. Do these allow adjustable options in look, depth, etc.? I'm just curious if there are intermediate products available that allow for some modification to the end look. For example, I have generally used the Mother's 3-step process to go results. Cleaner->glaze->wax plus a second coat of glaze->wax in a week or so. Is it possible to use these cleaners/glazes/sealers to get the different look? Maybe I could attempt a more opaque under layer that would soften and diffuse the light in order to soften up the shine and reflection. I don't know. I don't think many folks attempt the opposite of a mirror-like finish.

Opposite of a mirror finish... Maybe a really high grit wet sand...

Basically, if it's smooth, it'll reflect like a mirror. If you want to get rid of a mirror reflection then you'll have to get rid of the smoothness. Otherwise, you'd have to get a silver or white car.

mvw2 · 07-17-08, 07:57

Well, I don't want to exactly sand the clearcoat to a roughness. Rather, I'd like to find something I could apply (glaze/sealer) that would do the same effect, basically something slightly non-transparent or a diffusing agent. I just don't know if there is a waxing product that's even been developed to do that, lol.