Layer Zymol?

[CorruptedSanity]

Hi guys!

It took me 2 days but I finally waxed my car.

I washed it, clayed it then applied HD Cleanse then waxed it with Zymol Glasur. I have a red Cayman S.

It took me two days because by 11am I had to stop because anything I put on the car literally dried up in 30 seconds! This being in the shade too! (Talking about 37C temps). Im glad humidity hasnt started yet.

Any how, my question is, can/should wax be layered? If so, how long after initial application? What about Field Glaze? Should I use it after completing layers? The weather is going to get hotter and more humid and I park my car in the sun for 8 hours of the day (it gets up to 50C here in the summer - about 3 weeks of the year).

Thanks!

[David Fermani]

I do back to back applications when I use thier Carbon. I think it's key to apply as thin a coat as possible and remove it immediately. I do 1 panel at a time also. The paint tends to feel just a wee bit softer after the 2nd application. I'm not sure if it's considered layering or just a stronger single coat?

[calgarydetail]

glasur works best applied one pannel at a time, so apply it to one plannel, remove, then move on.

as for ;layering, i have foun all the zymols work best when you follow these steps

1. apply wax
2. remove wax
3. allow to harden and cure for 3-4 hours (you will be able to notice the oils sweating out, the paint becomes less clear then when first applied)
4. After 3-4 hours field glaze the car, his will help remove the oils bringing back the shine as wel as it will help level the wax make it look better.
This step works best if you keep the field glaze in the fridge
5. The next day (althought you can do it now) apply a secon coat an follow the same steps.

hd-cleanse before the first coat only (ofcourse)

you will def notice a iffrencet in paint apperance with multiple layers of glasur....

let u sknow how it goes

[CorruptedSanity]

David, I guess its layering because the first coat cures.

calgary, so currently I am at step 3. My initial coat has cured.

So tomorrow ill wash the car then apply the chilled field glaze then immediately apply a second coat? I didnt do a post buff. I just applied the waxed then buffed off, I never got round to buffing it again and now my car is all dusty (not soiled, just dusty). Did I make a big mistake?

Can I wash then field glaze then apply a second coat tomorrow? Or did I do damage by not following up with a buff?

[SuperBee364]

Originally Posted by CorruptedSanity

David, I guess its layering because the first coat cures.

calgary, so currently I am at step 3. My initial coat has cured.

So tomorrow ill wash the car then apply the chilled field glaze then immediately apply a second coat? I didnt do a post buff. I just applied the waxed then buffed off, I never got round to buffing it again and now my car is all dusty (not soiled, just dusty). Did I make a big mistake?

Can I wash then field glaze then apply a second coat tomorrow? Or did I do damage by not following up with a buff?

Your plan is a good one. After you do the second coat, let it cure for a few hours (as long as you can, but three hours min), then buff it again with a clean, soft MF. Try to get in the habbit of doing this post wax removal buffing after every coat. Vintage will continue to cure for a long time after you actually remove the excess wax. During the curing, the oils that CalagaryDetail talks about will start to surface. When it's really warm, you'll be able to notice it actually hazing or looking cloudy. This secondary buffing will remove that and give you the incredible gloss Vintage is known for.

Edit: I'm not paying attention... Just noticed you're using Glasur and not Vintage. Just replace "Vintage" with "Glasur".

[CorruptedSanity]

SuperBee, thanks for your input!

Problem is I park my car in the hot very hot sun from 7 am to 3pm weekdays. So when I come home at 3:15, I can wash my car because the surface is too hot, suds literally instantly dry up ! Not cool at all. I may have to park it in the shade and try washing/waxing at night.

[lbls1]

A pure wax will layer almost perfectly. One of the great talents of the authentic zymols is that they seem to get better with a little age. My advice would be to wait a minimum of a week, and/or you can go up to a month depending on how clean you manage to keep the car, and layer a coat of wax at a time. Do not over wax on any one occasion (such as putting 3 or more layers on an adventurous weekend day). Too much wax will leave you with unsettled hazing and a less than great finish performance.

Some say that you should only put on one or two layers; My greatest finishes have been achieved by putting on several (currently I go up to 9....several layers past zymol's recommendation, but down from my past usual of 11-12!!!!!! BTW my favorite layers are layer #1, and layer #6 is the spot!!!!) layers of a zymol over a warm season, such as from April to October. How many layers that you would want will purely be left to your individual wants. Just go slowly over a period of at least a week or so and observe the wax's performance over time. Good luck.

[CorruptedSanity]

lbls1

One of the great talents of the authentic zymols is that they seem to get better with a little age.

I knew it!!!!!!!! Thanks for mentioning it, I had noticed it before but thought I was "seeing it" because I wanted to "see it". Makes me feel good thanks

Here is an email I got from the wonderful ave Dudek

David,

Between yesterday and today, I washed the clar, clayed it using lehm klay, then Hd-cleansed it then waxed it with glasur and detail.

My questions are:

1- Can I wash it next week then wax it again? (without claying it and applying hd-cleanse) Does waxing it again prolong its longevity? Increase shine?

2- If I clay it 3 months from now, or next week or next month, will the clay remove wax?

Thanks

Saif






Saif,

Claying the vehicle only needs to be done maybe once a year. The method to determine if the car needs to be clayed is to put your hand in a plastic bag and lightly run your fingertips over the vehicle. If you feel roughness, then it is time to clay. Remember that clay only removes contaminants from the paint, such as fine particles of sand or something of that nature and does not remove wax. You only need to HD Cleanse twice yearly in order to bring the vehicle back to the original factory paint. This process will remove minor swirl marks, oxidation and swirl marks in addition to removing all the wax on the car. After using the HD Cleanse you must wax or glaze within twenty four hours, without driving the car in between the two processes.

You may wash as often as necessary and wax again. You will reach a plateau were the paint just will not accept anymore wax, probably 7 or 8 coats. This will be evident when most of the wax comes off on the buffing towel instead of bonding with the paint.

You should use the Detail wax on the plastic painted parts, bumpers etc, as the Detail contains a tremendous amount of oils that help to maintain the flex agents in the paint on these parts.

As far as how much HD to apply, you should be using an entire 8.5 ounce bottle on the vehicle. with regard to your temperatures I would apply to the small 2-3 square foot areas and immediately buff as you do not want the HD or wax to dry completely.

Hope this helps.

Dave

[lbls1]

That's Dave from Zymol right?? I won't necessarily disagree with Dave and Zymol, since their waxes are extremely potent as you will soon see.

However, from my experiences I will share the following:

1. Claying will only remove the surface contaminants. It will not deep clean the paint IMO; Thus polishing is a must in order to get the most out of the wax. You can have a choice of either hand polishing (if your paint is free from swirling or if you are concerned about clearcoat thinning), or my recommendation would be to machine polish the paint with your choice of a non-abrasive or a mildly abrasive polish, depending on the amount of swirling that you may have.

2. You will definitely see an improvement in the depth perception of your paint with additional layerings of wax. However, the color of your paint, as I've seen it, will be most vibrant with the first two or up to three layerings of an "EG" (glasur, concours, vintage, etc.). If you are good with keeping the paint clean with an occasional use of a quick detailer....a very high quality qd...stay away from the over the counter brands such as megs(no disrespect intended), then you can continue layering the wax for up to a year. As I've said earlier, my greatest finish strength for the signature car has been after 6 spaced out layerings, but then again my car has maintained its finish quality with as many as 10-11 well spaced out layerings. If your car isn't exposed to the elements and is kept relatively dry, then you won't really need a lot of layerings to maintain the finish. It will depend on what will look good to you, and of course how well your paint takes to the wax.

[CorruptedSanity]

Yep thats form David Dudek of Zymol.

Hmm I thought Megs quik detailer the best (or comparable to field glaze- not trying to start a zymol vs megs thread).

How many applications of uses of field glaze would you say you had during the 6 coats?

My car is defitneiyl exposed to the elements, especially with summer raging pretty close. The temps some times get as high as 56C for a few hours of the day and ive manged to be on the highway, hot!!

[calgarydetail]

im going to chine in again, both lbls1 and superbee have tons of info on zymol, they wont steart you wrong.

David is a nice enough guy, I have had him help me ion the past and have been impressed however keep in mind he works for the compnay and is selling products. Thats his job.

If you are using an entire bottle of hdcleanse on a car you are using WAY WAY WAY to much, i use less then an ounce on a big car.

as for claying, i clay every couple months, whenever i feel contamination i clay. Its simple enough to do and if you do it often enough you can use a really mild clay and cause little to no marring.

Play around to see how many coats is perfect for you car, I know at one point i went through 22oz of vintage in 3months trying diffrent waxing methods, trying with an applicator, with out hd-cleanse, with a heated applicator, leavng it for a while, removing tight away ect, i know what works for me and the enviorment im in. so play around, have some fun.

[calgarydetail]

Originally Posted by CorruptedSanity

Yep thats form David Dudek of Zymol.

Hmm I thought Megs quik detailer the best (or comparable to field glaze- not trying to start a zymol vs megs thread).

How many applications of uses of field glaze would you say you had during the 6 coats?

My car is defitneiyl exposed to the elements, especially with summer raging pretty close. The temps some times get as high as 56C for a few hours of the day and ive manged to be on the highway, hot!!

wow that is hot. I would try to detail in a shaded place if possible, and rince the pannels often to keep them cool.. but wow that is crazy hot. Im glad i live in canada

Zymol will prtect from the elements, dont worry about that/

As for how many applications with field glaze, to be honest it depends on each application, sometimes the wax will sweat (leach oils) more then other times. (weather, tempature, humidy, lenght of sweat time will effect how much the wax sweats). 6 would be a good guide line though.

If you have trouble getting field glaze, or just run out try water left in the freeze for a few hours. When it his 0c its perfect. (small amount of ice on the top, but stillw atter undernieth). The cold water really helps with leving the wax and removing the oils.

Megs qd is good, however it was desinged to work with megs products not zymol, as far as i know megs uses solvents which dont sweat they evaporate, field glaze is designed to help remove the oils that zymol uses.

Also field glaze has some carbumba in it to give that extra pop we all love.

If possible I would suggest using field glaze