ONR 1, me 0

[SuperBee364]

[quote=nmxdaven;1107719]Thanks again weekendwarrior!




Well it eventually came clean with some dawn. Sure was tough though.




Well I'm trying to make ONR my usual wash. Our Texas summers and my lack of available shade makes a conventional wash a battle against water spots. (without waking up at 4 AM anyhoo) Too bad, as I loved my new foam gun in the winter months.

Superbee: From reading your threads you seem to be one of the best "mar experts" on here. Did you notice any from your ONR washes? Or are you just precautious?[/quote]

Actually, I think the best term would be "mar coward".

I was afraid the "did you notice any marring from your ONR washes?" question would eventually come up. I've been avoiding it on purpose to prevent a possible flame war. I've also noticed that there's a famous Autopian here that also seems to avoid/sidestep/whistle innocently whenever serious ONR questions come up. He shall remain nameless, but he tends to accumulate stuff.

The answer is yes. I have noticed some marring from ONR washes. Now this could be due to *several* different reasons, and that's why I haven't really mentioned it. It could be my washing technique, something in my MF that I'm using to wash with, some sort of unusually sharp contaminant on the surface of the car, the position of the Sun and Venus, etc. There are so many variables to consider. But, the fact remains that I have seen some marring from ONR washing. Nothing serious, however. Just minor swirling that comes out with PO106FF readily.

My technique with ONR is:

Spray down each panel with QD strength ONR.

Wipe each panel down gently with a dripping wet MF from the ONR bucket.

Rinse and squeeze out the MF, get it dripping wet again, and redo the same panel.

Dry the panel with a clean MF.

I only use distilled water, too.

There are *alot* of people here that use ONR, and have never marred a car in the process. Then there are ham-fisted hacks like me that seem to be able to mar paint by giving it a stern look. So please keep that in mind when you decide to continue using ONR or not. It really is a break through product with alot of followers. I guess it's just like using any other detailing product; you just gotta be careful.

[nmxdaven]

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

There are *alot* of people here that use ONR, and have never marred a car in the process. Then there are ham-fisted hacks like me that seem to be able to mar paint by giving it a stern look. So please keep that in mind when you decide to continue using ONR or not. It really is a break through product with alot of followers. I guess it's just like using any other detailing product; you just gotta be careful.

Well, as long as it doesn't cause the maring it feels like it is, I'm happy. I try to be as realistic as I can in my circumstance. Minor marring and a polish every now and then is much better than a water spot covered car. Until I get done with grad school and acquire a well paying job my obsession has to stay realistic.

Thanks for the info, I think I'll try the MF towel method on my next wash.

[Denzil]

A MF towel, MF mitt, or sheepskin mitt go well with ONR as well.

[Sherri Zann]

Love SuperBee's description of the "famous Autopian." I've used QEW and now ONR on three Honda's, think these are very cool products, but also believe I, too, get some minor marring. Honda's soft clear may be part of the equation.

I started with wool mitt and QEW, and got such a lot of marring the first time I used it (on a dark green '98 Accord which has since gone to the scrapyard) that I didn't use it again for two years! I then tried an MF, then the HD grout sponge with ONR, then a Danase plush , plush MF with ONR. I also tried a two bucket method, the grit guard method, the weed sprayer pre-wash, and went back to the plain one bucket with 2 gallons of water and ONR.

Scottwax once asked something like, "Why make it more complicated than the manufacturer's instructions?" Everytime I try some new wrinkle on using this stuff, I think of that and laugh.

My favorite so far, is the super plush MF with ONR, dried with a regular MF. The super plush MF is used for nothing but ONR. It appears to rinse clean for me. Who knows why it's not getting all gross--but you may have different dirt soil than we do. (Maybe like that sticky Hungarian soil of Bence's.) Seems to me like it is important to have a clean section for each swipe.

I'm thinking of trying a 100% cotton white handtowel rather than the MF, with the idea that cotton tends to release little bits better, and with white, I'd more easily see scratchy contaminants. Anyone used cotton towels with ONR or QEW?

[etml12]

As for the ONR and marring issue, I think there are so many factors it is difficult to distill things down to one culprit. I also have a Honda with soft black paint and did notice the accumulation of minor swirls this past winter. As SuperBee mentioned above PO106FF took care of things handily.

Was it my technique? It likely plays some sort of a role. IME, I get the impression that the drying portion causes more damage than the application of ONR. I have no empirical proof, it is just a hunch. Also, if I were able to do conventional washes all winter would I have not needed to polish? I doubt it.

As an aside, i will go on record in saying that my local Honda dealer is far more destructive to my paint that ONR will ever be. How deep scratches can be "installed" on the hood during a TSB check and vehicle inspection I'll never know.

[abbeysdad]

I've been using ONR for a couple of years now and I love the stuff. I spray at QD strength of 6oz/gal, then use a rinse bucket with an MF towel. I can't imagine anyone using a grout sponge as it would be way too hard and nonabsorbant.
I've never seen any signs of marring, but I have to say if it's real dirty (e.g. like mud or bad winter road spray), I run her through the coin-op pressure spray before the ONR wash.

[SuperBee364]

Originally Posted by Sherri Zann

Love SuperBee's description of the "famous Autopian." I've used QEW and now ONR on three Honda's, think these are very cool products, but also believe I, too, get some minor marring. Honda's soft clear may be part of the equation.

I started with wool mitt and QEW, and got such a lot of marring the first time I used it (on a dark green '98 Accord which has since gone to the scrapyard) that I didn't use it again for two years! I then tried an MF, then the HD grout sponge with ONR, then a Danase plush , plush MF with ONR. I also tried a two bucket method, the grit guard method, the weed sprayer pre-wash, and went back to the plain one bucket with 2 gallons of water and ONR.

Scottwax once asked something like, "Why make it more complicated than the manufacturer's instructions?" Everytime I try some new wrinkle on using this stuff, I think of that and laugh.

My favorite so far, is the super plush MF with ONR, dried with a regular MF. The super plush MF is used for nothing but ONR. It appears to rinse clean for me. Who knows why it's not getting all gross--but you may have different dirt soil than we do. (Maybe like that sticky Hungarian soil of Bence's.) Seems to me like it is important to have a clean section for each swipe.

I'm thinking of trying a 100% cotton white handtowel rather than the MF, with the idea that cotton tends to release little bits better, and with white, I'd more easily see scratchy contaminants. Anyone used cotton towels with ONR or QEW?

The Eurows that have been getting alot of attention are really great for ONR washing/drying.

All my old cotton detailing rags have been reassigned to house cleaning ( I prefer the term "House Detailing") duties. That's a really good point about the cotton, though. It's definitely worth trying.

[pharmboyrx]

I'm hoping to try an ONR wash next week. I have it on order from Autogeek. I went to my local Driver's Seat shop which is an extension of Autogeek, and the guy had never heard of it and advised me against any product of it's variety. I showed him it was on Autogeek's website and he said if they sell it, it must be different from the one he tried in the past.

I plan on using a microfiber cloth or my grout sponges. Hopefully it works since it will beat washing my car at the local pay to spray car wash, then driving it home and waiting for it to cool in my condo's parking garage so I can wax it.

[snowskate]

on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being just covered in dirt/salt/etc from a New England winter, at what point would you not want to use ONR?
I can understand how ONR works and that it works well, but, like other people here I feel a little wary about taking a MF washcloth well soaked to a dry dirty panel.
I have ONR shipping to me tomorrow. I think I'll use it up to a 4 out of 10 in terms of dirtiness if I have to.

[SuperBee364]

Originally Posted by snowskate

on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being just covered in dirt/salt/etc from a New England winter, at what point would you not want to use ONR?
I can understand how ONR works and that it works well, but, like other people here I feel a little wary about taking a MF washcloth well soaked to a dry dirty panel.
I have ONR shipping to me tomorrow. I think I'll use it up to a 4 out of 10 in terms of dirtiness if I have to.

That sounds like a very reasonable level. Man, I wish the search feature was more friendly... you wouldn't believe how dirty some of the vehicles have been that were washed without marring using ONR. I never would have believed in this stuff if it wasn't for some of the pictures posted. Scottwax had some of a truck that was *dirty*. He used ONR exclusively to wash it over an extended period of time, and there was almost no marring at all. And what marring there was couldn't be directly attributed to the ONR as it was a work truck.

[wannafbody]

I will definitely say that marring is possible with no rinse washes. I've used QEW and noticed some. It may be a combo of factors. It may be that I didn't use enough fresh MFs to wipe down. How many do you guys use? It may be that I have much more airborne grit in my area than most others deal with.

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

..I was afraid the "did you notice any marring from your ONR washes?" question would eventually come up. I've been avoiding it on purpose to prevent a possible flame war. I've also noticed that there's a famous Autopian here that also seems to avoid/sidestep/whistle innocently whenever serious ONR questions come up. He shall remain nameless, but he tends to accumulate stuff.

The answer is yes. I have noticed some marring from ONR washes.....

[DISCLAIMER: There are people who can do things that I can't do (and vice-versa ) and I am in *NO WAY* claiming that ONR/QEW doesn't work great for many people. I believe that people should use what works *for them*.]

Unless the vehicle is in basically already-clean condition, I simply cannot reliably wash with ONR/QEW without instilling at least very light marring. It might be so light as to be invisible under normal lighting conditions, but it's there if I *really* look for it.

This doesn't usually happen with my labor/water-intensive foamgun-centric washes. If I wash with the foamgun, even a *nasty-filthy* vehicle usually comes clean with no marring, so I stick with that method. (Note repeated use of the qualifier "usually" )

I *do* use *and LIKE* ONR/QEW for some jobs, but not for what I consider "regular washes". I see no reason to accept an increased risk of marring when I know I can avoid it with another method.

Marring, and/or the thin paint that results if you correct it, is forever. So I simply won't take unnecessary chances (well, now that I've sold the Blazer ).