What have you all found to be the longest lasting liquid carnuba?

[jb1]

Sorry for the nOOb question, but is 476S just the 18 oz. version?

[Saintlysins]

Must be something wrong with me ... I never wait till the product fails to reapply a coat or two. I use P21s, and I know it give outstanding results with multiple applications over several weeks, but I don't recall ever seeing any of my cars 'clock out' of protection or shine.
The beading is still there, maybe not as tight 4/6 weeks later under daily use, but I can't recall seeing complete deterioration even 2 months later.
What are you considering failure, a specific look or feel, beading, reflection? Help me understand. Thanks.

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by jb1

Sorry for the nOOb question, but is 476S just the 18 oz. version?

I can't remember the actual quantities for each, but the 476S Double Coat is the smaller size and the 885 Fleetwax is the larger one.

Saintlysins- I'm pretty much the same way (though not to the extent of many here). Back when I had the (outside 24/7) Volvo wagon I'd let it go until it obviously needed redone (the single stage would sometimes start oxidizing before I got to it ), but nowadays I redo the LSP whenever some characteristic I value (usually slickness) starts to drop off. Better to stay ahead of the curve, huh?

[3puttjay]

I applied 3 layers of 476S to my car in weekly intervals after a wash in august. It is still going strong here at the end of December. I will probably wait until April before waxing again. My car sits outside 24 / 7 and it still beads like crazy.

[Saintlysins]

Thanks “Accumulator” ... As you put it, “staying ahead of the curve” – and maintaining a waxed (protected) finish always seems better than starting from scratch every few months when the products are no longer effective. Works well for me.
I will add that the Ridgeline took a hit & run on the lower front bumper pretty hard and will need to be repainted. Since it’s my daily driver and my 24/7 in the elements vehicle, I certainly don’t want drive it around on Jersey’s Salted Winter Wonderland just after it’s been re-sprayed ... so I’m going to wait till March. In doing so, I’m going to monitor how long the P21s holds up and won’t do anything other than washings (usually weekly) until it’s back for a month from the body shop.
I know you’re a big fan of Collinite – and I seem to agree with the posts you’ve make, so I may break my vow to P21s and try it. At that point it’ll be time for a complete and thorough detail and a good way to run my own comparison.
Let you all know when the life of P21s comes to an end or starts failing.

[andybags]

I've been a fan of P21S for a few years too, mainly because it is so easy to apply and wipe off with MF towels and the effect on blacks and reds especially is amazing.

In between times and before going out, I will give the top panels another application to gain maximum effect & reflection.

There is absolutely NO chalking either.

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by Saintlysins

....I will add that the Ridgeline took a hit & run on the lower front bumper pretty hard and will need to be repainted. Since it’s my daily driver and my 24/7 in the elements vehicle, I certainly don’t want drive it around on Jersey’s Salted Winter Wonderland just after it’s been re-sprayed ... so I’m going to wait till March...[and I]..won’t do anything other than washings (usually weekly) until it’s back for a month from the body shop...

Sorry to hear about the hit & run. I've gone both ways, waiting until spring and having it repaired immediately. Last few times I've gone through winter with fresh paint protected by Meg's #5 glaze and it worked out (surprisingly) OK.

After the paintwork, I'd wait a lot longer than a month before waxing/sealing; the paint manufacturers recommend at least 90 days and I usually wait even longer. There's a thread with the manufacturers' views on this if you want to search for it (search on username MirrorFinishMan). I've experienced some mighty dramatic curing/hardness effects that occurred well after the one-month point and I'd hate for anybody to end up with permanently soft (well, softer than it coulda been) paint just because they didn't wait. FWIW, I hear that Optimum's Car Wax has been deemed fresh-repaint-safe by Ford...but I just stick to Meg's #5 (partially out of habit, I've used it for this since the mid-70s).

I know you’re a big fan of Collinite..so I may break my vow to P21s and try it..

I like the Collinite (pastes, not the biggest fan of 845) better on some paints than on others; I quit using it as a winter wax on the silver A8 because my wife and I both thought it just didn't look good enough. But on the pewter Blazer it looks fine IMO it's something you'd have to try for yourself, but hey, it's cheap enough and you can always use it for non-appearance-critical applications.

Compared to the P21s it (475/885, less so if you go with their 845) might mute your flake and appear less shiny. The A8 gets Meg's #16, which in *my* eyes is pretty similar to the P21s only with better durability and beading/shedding. If you've never tried #16 you really oughta track down a tin and give it a go.

Hmmm...getting back to Collinite, I wonder if the 845 might be more to your liking I do think it'd last a good while longer than the P21s.

[Saintlysins]

I agree with the wait times for paint cure, used to own a couple body shops, and on the soft-panels, the paint should go at least 6 weeks before waxing. I'll glaze it with each wash while waiting for the clock to run out though.

Thanks for the perspective on your Collinite choices.

[ionic_slim]

Is DG AquaWax considered a liquid carnuba?

[ej8tunerman]

I just thought I would add to this thread that ive had a bottle of 845 IW ever since I really got into detailing and have been on here a little over a year ago. Before trying a few sealants out, 845 IW was my go to wax on every car I detailed but I was never able to fully test its durability. I last polished my girlfriends white cavalier at the very first of July and added only 1 coat of 845. Since then, we have had everything from 20 degrees all the way up to 106 degrees. We have had 15 inches of rain in the last 2 months if not more and the car was washed with QEW/ONR 3-4 times since then. It is still beading, while not the tightest beads that a fresh collinite coat looks like, its still definately beading pretty darn good. The last time the car was washed was atleast 3 months ago might I add. 845 met and exceeded my expectations, especially considering the fact I only used on coat.

[RedlineIRL]

How would the 845 look on a red car? Would it take away from the wet look?

[andybags]

Not to be buried - the P21S wasn't a stab in the dark. It won head and shoulders above all others in the carnauba wax section of the 46 wax test report these guys did -

Car Wax Comparison Test, 46 Car Waxes tested, graded: Save Time and Money. Paint protection film

It seemed pretty compelling when I read it back in 2004 and it produced an exceptional result on my red and black vehicles. FWIW.