All Glazes have slight cleaners in them ?

chefwong · 05-14-07, 05:07

I recall speaking with a chap and we were talking about glazes. While some glazes may/may not have abrasive qualities to it, even a true hand polish/glaze - it's oils will have a ever so cleaning action to it. This allows the glaze to bond to the paint....

Would anyone concur ?

I don't really use glazes that much as I have only really used #81 for the past couple of years. Looking to add RMG and possibly CG EZ creme to my stash as well.

bpfoley · 05-14-07, 05:43

FK 303 has some decent cut to it, which I guess makes it not a true glaze. Don't expect any real corrective abilities, but it does burnish the paint nicely and makes to surface pop.

On the other hand, Menzerna FTG is more of a pure polish or glaze.

Baera · 05-14-07, 05:59

Yes, some oils have very slight abrasive qualities to them. In terms of oils though, theres not nearly enough abrasiveness to have any real correcting ability.

chefwong · 05-14-07, 06:05

Interesting. Never would think a ~oil~ would be slightly abrasive . Not looking for correction in any glaze. More closer to beautification.

I'm planning to just play with a couple of glaze/wax scenarios until I find one I like as I don't plan on going crazy on polishing on these daily drivers any more. I'll polish to bring the paint back up, but not to the paint it's perfect......

Baera · 05-14-07, 06:18

I can't say I have seen first hand that an oil can be abrasive though! lol

Not to long ago I ran across a "polish" that was 100% abrasive free and polished via a special mixture of cleansing oils. -According to the the description, anyway. I wish I could remember what brand it was.

Black Diamond · 05-14-07, 07:34

Megs #7 does not have any cleaners and is very rich in oils. A little hard to work with though until you get the hang of it. It gives a nice "wet"look too.

themightytimmah · 05-14-07, 07:42

You can get abrasive action without abrasives - a glaze will lubricate whatever pad it is used with. I've seen 2000 grit marks removed with nonabrasive PB's Pro Polish - and a wool pad.

Accumulator · 05-14-07, 08:27

chefwong- IMO you're right about the potential cleaning action of "nonabrasive/non-cleaner" glazes. The stuff will at the very least affect some degree of solvent action on the surface being worked (even *water* could do this). Whether or not it'll be enough of a solvent action to matter

#7 is a good example- way back in the day (i.e., 1970s) I used it as a gentle cleaner on ss black lacquer- it *did* clean the paint, you could see the dirt on the polishing media.

For that matter, even LSPs like Souveran can do a *little* cleaning. Who hasn't seen a little dirt show up on their wax applicator pad at one time or another

themightytimmah- You're right! Another thing we used to do is apply #7 with terry...on very soft ss lacquer it would do a *little* correction. It was the final "abrasive" step in the process that used to be called a "hand-rubbed lacquer finish".

MDRX8 · 05-15-07, 05:29

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Originally Posted by Black Diamond

Megs #7 does not have any cleaners and is very rich in oils. A little hard to work with though until you get the hang of it. It gives a nice "wet"look too.

I have been told by Meguiars that 3, 5, 7, 81 are all pure "POLISHES" and can be applied to your LSP without any hard cleaning power. They will last a few days. They are great under your LSP I know that. And I have put them on top of LSP"S and I can't tell if any of the LSP has been lost. Anyway polishes and glazes are the most under utilized products!!! They really help your car's finish.

Accumulator · 05-15-07, 09:46

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Originally Posted by MDRX8

I have been told by Meguiars that 3, 5, 7, 81 are all pure "POLISHES" ...

Yeah, people have the mistaken impression that they're abrasive

I think some of it comes from the "clay" that they have as ingredients...people think "clay = abrasive so the stuff is *functionally* abrasive", which is incorrect.

And yeah#2 glazes can really help some finishes, but OTOH the Meg's glazes don't do a *thing* for me on perfectly prepped Audi clear. It's like they can't get a toehold, no micro-fissures to get into; they wipe on and wipe off with no discernable effect. I sure do like them on ss though, and also on imperfect b/c.

One of these days I gotta try some of the new-tech glazes...still haven't tried the Danase Speed Glaze sample that BlkZ28Conv sent me