Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss - Page 13

SuperBee364 · 10-15-08, 07:45

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Originally Posted by garbud

Can the CG Citrus Wash & Gloss be used in place of Prep Sol or an ISP wipedown after polishing with Menzerna to remove the polishing oils left behind?

Garbud

I usually do a CW&G wash after polishing, but I do follow that up with an IPA wipedown before glaze/lsp, so honestly I don't know if just CW&G will effectively remove Menz oils. Even if it does remove the menz oils, it leaves behind glossing and drying agents that then should be removed with an IPA wipedown prior to lsp/glaze.

buja · 10-15-08, 11:04

Supe: in your opinion, would you think that after a normal CWG wash, then a layer of wax will be bad for bonding ? im a bit confused of thie part about the glossing agent getting in between the wax trying to bond onto the paint surface...hmm

if thats the case, then I guess CWG is good for weekly washes when maintenance just ends with the wash and probably a qd . but not good for a wash, then layer of wax on top.

correct me if im wrong...

thanks !

JuneBug · 10-15-08, 12:41

I haven't run into any bonding problems after a CG CW&G wash with Megs 21 and 26, Souveran, CG 50-50, Lusso Oro or a local product - Banana Wax from Majestic Solutions.

SuperBee364 · 10-15-08, 01:08

Yeah, I doubt the glossing/drying agents in the CW&G would really be a problem with bonding, I'm just silly that way; I always do an IPA wipedown before glaze/lsp. Not only do I do it to make sure all the oils/drying/glossing agents are gone, but also to make sure that *everything* is off the paint so I can do a very thorough final inspection with my various lights to make sure the paint is truly LSP/glaze ready.

David Fermani · 10-15-08, 01:56

Interesting. I've been told from certain sealant manufactures that soaps with gloss enhancers *can* affect bonding of sealants. That's why I've been using Meg's 00 or APC to wash after polishing when I finishing with a sealant.

bert31 · 10-15-08, 02:30

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Originally Posted by buja

Supe: in your opinion, would you think that after a normal CWG wash, then a layer of wax will be bad for bonding ? im a bit confused of thie part about the glossing agent getting in between the wax trying to bond onto the paint surface...hmm

if thats the case, then I guess CWG is good for weekly washes when maintenance just ends with the wash and probably a qd . but not good for a wash, then layer of wax on top.

correct me if im wrong...

thanks !

I have often wondered if this bonding concern is why Chemical Guys came out with Citrus Wash and Clear. It doesn't have the glossing agents in it like Citrus Wash and Gloss so it seems to be a more "pure" wash that doesn't leave anything behind. Is this a product you should use before applying an LSP??? I don't know. If not, why did Chemcial Guys come out with the product? I am just theorizing here, not putting forth opinions.

MDRX8 · 10-15-08, 02:51

I don't understand why you would want to remove the Men. polishing oils. I use PO85RD, RMG to add oils prior to waxing. Thats what glazes and polishes Meguiars 3, 5, 7, 9 , Dansee sp, etc do. I guess if you are apply a acrylic sealant you might want to remove the oils. FK1 makes a product for cleaning paint prior to LSP. Or mix up some Dawn dishwash or Tide liquid and wash your car.

bert31 · 10-15-08, 03:14

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Originally Posted by MDRX8

I don't understand why you would want to remove the Men. polishing oils. I use PO85RD, RMG to add oils prior to waxing. Thats what glazes and polishes Meguiars 3, 5, 7, 9 , Dansee sp, etc do. I guess if you are apply a acrylic sealant you might want to remove the oils. FK1 makes a product for cleaning paint prior to LSP. Or mix up some Dawn dishwash or Tide liquid and wash your car.

My guess is they want to remove the oils to make sure those same oils are not hiding paint marring left over.

Hakko · 10-15-08, 04:24

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Originally Posted by bert31

I have often wondered if this bonding concern is why Chemical Guys came out with Citrus Wash and Clear. It doesn't have the glossing agents in it like Citrus Wash and Gloss so it seems to be a more "pure" wash that doesn't leave anything behind. Is this a product you should use before applying an LSP??? I don't know. If not, why did Chemcial Guys come out with the product? I am just theorizing here, not putting forth opinions.

I got my CWC from Detailed Image and I love it, but I noticed that it's not shown on the CG website. Have they discontinued it?

wagonproject · 10-15-08, 05:56

From my understanding some things aren't listed on their site. But if you call and ask they'll help you out.

SuperBee364 · 10-15-08, 06:18

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Originally Posted by MDRX8

I don't understand why you would want to remove the Men. polishing oils. I use PO85RD, RMG to add oils prior to waxing. Thats what glazes and polishes Meguiars 3, 5, 7, 9 , Dansee sp, etc do. I guess if you are apply a acrylic sealant you might want to remove the oils. FK1 makes a product for cleaning paint prior to LSP. Or mix up some Dawn dishwash or Tide liquid and wash your car.

For inspection purposes primarily, and to prevent bonding problems, especially with sealants. I really hate to mention this, since the last time this subject was brought up the thread deteriorated to the point that I got banned, but Menzerna's oils *will* hide paint defects. The only way you're going to know if there are holograms or other light defects in the paint prior to applying your LSP, is to remove *everything* from the paint using IPA and/or PrepSol, then using lights to very thoroughly inspect the paint for any remaning holograms or defects that were being hidden by whatever polishing oils were left on the paint after your final polishing step.

If you do a few black cars, it'll really show you what you can miss if you don't do this. Often, there will be areas of polishing oils, or even the polish itself, that are still on the paint. There's just no subsitute for a completely squeaky clean surface prior to glaze and/or LSP.

SuperBee364 · 10-15-08, 06:27

Greg Nichols got me a sample of CWC, which I finally used for the first time last week. It seems to rinse off much easier than CW&G. It doesn't feel as slippery. The car I used it on wasn't very dirty, so I don't know if it cleans as well. It should, as it's supposed to be exactly the same as CW&G, but without the glossing and rinse agents.