Menzerna's New 106FA (pic)

[01bluecls]

If it is a stiffer cutting pad then results I will believe a little more, BUT information has been presented all out before the pad used is POLISHING pad. I dont have any Menzerna brand pads, but when someone says a polishing pad and a cutting pad...there is quite a difference.

[01bluecls]

I think I will settle this in my own mind with some testing on my car today via different polishes, pads, pc and rotary.

[crew219]

Originally Posted by 01bluecls

If it is a stiffer cutting pad then results I will believe a little more, BUT information has been presented all out before the pad used is POLISHING pad. I dont have any Menzerna brand pads, but when someone says a polishing pad and a cutting pad...there is quite a difference.

Read up on the Menzerna pads:

Dave KG's review

Also keep in mind that they're 5" pads so the amount of work is more concentrated within that area.

TBH, I doubt this thread would have received such negative response if anyone other than Justin presented it. He also left out key facts of the reposted thread which muddled the situation and caused significant doubt to be raised.

Dave

[velobard]

I gotta admit, that's an impressive shot, even more than the completed 50-50 shot.

[01bluecls]

Originally Posted by crew219

Read up on the Menzerna pads:

Dave KG's review

Also keep in mind that they're 5" pads so the amount of work is more concentrated within that area.

TBH, I doubt this thread would have received such negative response if anyone other than Justin presented it. He also left out key facts of the reposted thread which muddled the situation and caused significant doubt to be raised.

Dave

I read through the thread given and maybe I might have missed it, but I dont see where DaveKG used soley a Menzerna "orange polishing pad and 106FF" to remove the defects he presented. He seemed to use IP the white cutting pad, then finished with 106FF. Almost all the defects were removed with IP.

[crew219]

Originally Posted by 01bluecls

I read through the thread given and maybe I might have missed it, but I dont see where DaveKG used soley a Menzerna "orange polishing pad and 106FF" to remove the defects he presented. He seemed to use IP the white cutting pad, then finished with 106FF. Almost all the defects were removed with IP.

Right, I posted that link to characterize the Menzerna pads. As mentioned, it is stiffer than a white LC pad but not as stiff as an LC orange, which places it right in the region of the green LC pad I mentioned before. Plus, if you look at Menzerna's site the density, stiffness ratings given to that pad roughly correspond to the green LC.

Those swirls in DaveKG's thread were inflicted by steel wool . . . I'd be very surprised if PO106FF and the orange pad could actually remove those marks. The black vehicle posted above merely had normal day to day swirling.

FYI, the IP that DaveKG mentions is not the normal IP that is purchased in the states. It is the ceramiclear version which I am told has 2x the normal amount of abrasives as the IP currently found here.

Dave

[01bluecls]

I have 106FF and have used it a lot on different paints. I have orange and white pads from LC and have used both with 106FF. I have used both of them with PC and different combos on different paints. I still dont believe the results posted came from what cleanyourcars soley states in his process.

[Dave KG]

Originally Posted by 01bluecls

I would really like the opinions of some of the pros on this forum such as Superior Fine, Picus, G35stilez, Tdekany and many of those who have proven their polishing capabilities.

I would not like to think that this is an implication that those already commenting (myself included) have not "proved their polishing abilities"...

Perhaps the Makita is there for more severe areas of defects - deeper scrathces for example, as I generally have two rotaries and a PC wired up and working on a detail as I vary what I use from panel to panel, defect to defect.

I would suggest you yourself try on soft paint with a PC the PO106FA, worked thoroughly until the reisdue goes clear and see what defect correction you can achieve. I can quite believe this was achieved by PC, but I for one will now be very wary of posting pictures of my details and listing the techniques I use if essentially I risk being accused of not being completely honest, I take that very seriously.

[Eliot Ness]

Originally Posted by 01bluecls

I have 106FF and have used it a lot on different paints. I have orange and white pads from LC and have used both with 106FF. I have used both of them with PC and different combos on different paints. I still dont believe the results posted came from what cleanyourcars soley states in his process.

Unless you use the same polish that he used (106FA) with a 5" Menzerna orange pad (if that pad is different than a typical orange pad) then it is pretty hard to do a comparison, especially if you aren't doing the same type of paint (be it hard, medium, or soft).

Originally Posted by CleanYourCar

.......The following products were used in conjunction with the Porter cable

5" Menzerna Polishing (orange) Pad
Menzerna Final Finish PO106FA

Menzerna PO106FA is the new version of PO106FF and the wait has definately been worth it. This polish blew me away. The old version was my favourite polish before trying this. It just seemed to have more gloss, more cut and worked for ages with next to no dust.........

CleanYourCar is also a member here, and while he does sell the Menzerna polishes, he also sells Sonus, Poorboy's, and Meguairs.

I'm not going to argue over this, but I have no reason to doubt his process or his results on this particular finish, with those particular products, using the process he described on that particular day. He did state the following in post #56: "The paint was medium/soft so I don't think it would be quite as effective on hard paint, but never the less on this day everyone was very pleased."

If someone has a question concerning his process the best thing to do is just join DW and post your questions directly to the guy that did the work (CleanYourCar), instead of beating it to death in this thread. It is an interesting site and makes a good read since some things are a little different across the pond..... just my 2 cents...

[porta]

Menzerna orange pad is a little stiffer then LC white, but not as rough as the green CSS pad wich feels like the most abrasive pads of them all.

I can and have removed nasty swirls with Menzerna PO106FF/FA and RE5 with my toptool. But then I used corase pads, but left a very nice finish. Not the same as on the pictures.

But then the paints I was corrected were very hard.

[01bluecls]

Originally Posted by Dave KG

I would not like to think that this is an implication that those already commenting (myself included) have not "proved their polishing abilities"...

Perhaps the Makita is there for more severe areas of defects - deeper scrathces for example, as I generally have two rotaries and a PC wired up and working on a detail as I vary what I use from panel to panel, defect to defect.

I would suggest you yourself try on soft paint with a PC the PO106FA, worked thoroughly until the reisdue goes clear and see what defect correction you can achieve. I can quite believe this was achieved by PC, but I for one will now be very wary of posting pictures of my details and listing the techniques I use if essentially I risk being accused of not being completely honest, I take that very seriously.

Im not making that implication. I just want more opinions on the matter. I just know some members on here have done many of cars that I have witnessed on the forum for the last 3 years none of which I can remember made those type of corrections with a finishing polish alone. There hasnt been many other opinions on this matter other than a few and my obvious ranting. I have seen your posts and threads and have nothing at all against your words and opinions. You seem to be well spoken and intelligent. You also seem to love detailing as do I.

***MAYBE*** I wouldnt have these opinions if the orginal poster wasnt a vendor selling every product he used. Im a marketing major in college and for some reason always second guess some intentions of businesses. If a retailer came on this forum and starting showing pics of results of product "X," im sure everyone would be skeptical. Like I said, the original poster has a lot of stake in his thread making it look like 106FA can make corrections like that. I would also like to see how his process of using the menzerna pad and 106FA took 6-8 microns. That is a LOT taken off for a PC with the combo even for soft paint.

With all the recent talks and witnessing of posts/spams by random people, Im even more skeptical of business related posts on an internet forum. You have to realize a forum has HUGE potential for marketers and businesses to generate sales. You ever see the box of some wax products or other products (usually on the older products), they always show a before/after of a faded hood and basically allows people to believe that the wax alone removed the oxidation and defects. I believe there are certain ethics to follow when marketing...seeing the thread simply raised my eye brow that no other thread has done to me.

I appreciate the fact that everyone that is defending him and Im sure even my reputation is now "faded" but I look at his thread and see possible deception. Im not disputing the results are stunning! BUT I dont think all facts are being presented in his depiction.

No hard feelings against anyone.

[01bluecls]

I will not post and say anymore on this issue to not drag it on. I apologize if offended anyone and hurt cleanyourcar's reputation. If furthers matters need to be discussed then a PM can be sent to me. I feel like im alone on this since im the one making the claims in negative light, Im pretty sure there are many others that see my view but dont want to step on toes which I have already done.

My very sorry for where I took this thread but felt it necessary to bring attention of "potential" misleadings. That is all