Menzerna's New 106FA (pic) - Page 4

Monte78Carlo2k1 · 04-18-07, 06:58

Im with 01bluecls if that really was one pass and the finish was still easy to correct. From the looks of the finish on the non polished side...either that product is extremely good or it was worked more than just ONE pass/completely working the product. The marring and such is almost severe.

Don't get me wrong I know Menzera has a amazing line up but man. I want some of that stuff.

SilvaBimma · 04-18-07, 07:18

Smart Car Care, Navan, Ireland - Professional Car Care - Auto Detailing Products

Contact them, you can probably get all the Menzerna Polishes imported at a reasonable rate.

justin30513 · 04-18-07, 08:27

Wow. Now this thread has turned into a credibility issue.

Geez.

ptaylor_9849 · 04-18-07, 08:27

With no disrespect to the original poster. If paint correction was as easy as making one pass with a PC, then there would be no need for this forum to exist and professional detailers would not be necessary. Justin, I think your friend isn't telling you the whole story. Either that or Renault paint is softer than anything I've ever seen.

justin30513 · 04-18-07, 08:33

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Originally Posted by ptaylor_9849

With no disrespect to the original poster. If paint correction was as easy as making one pass with a PC, then there would be no need for this forum to exist and professional detailers would not be necessary. Justin, I think your friend isn't telling you the whole story. Either that or Renault paint is softer than anything I've ever seen.

You're right. Totally. He's not my friend personally though. I just found this post that he took the time to do and put some of it up here.

I guess one of my qualities is that I assume that everything is true until I find out further. I believe him as do I with every post on here. I did find out the other day that some say you can enhance photos with photoshop to give a car more gloss. This is just detailing!

LOL!

mbkintner · 04-18-07, 08:39

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Originally Posted by AL-53

I found that the Menzerna polishes work better with the LC pads more than the Edge pads..do not know why..if it is the foam composition or what...I was doing a little playing with Intensive polish 3.01 and used a green edge pad and seemed to get no where..used a green CSS pad and it cut first pass...strange finding....

I held off on one of my orders to see if the Intensive polish 3.02 and 106 FA was coming in to the vendors in Europe..seems like Menzerna is very behind in getting their products shipped...I called Menzerna USA to get some info on some products...as to product releases and product info ..better off talking to a bag of rocks..

Al

Al,

What specific problems were you having when using Menzerna with the Edge pads? I've been bouncing back and forth between buying the 5.25" CCS pads from Danase or the Edge system and pads. Lately I've been leaning towards the Edge system and had intended on using these with Menzerna and Optimum polishes. Now you've got me worried.

Mike

AL-53 · 04-18-07, 08:49

It all depends how you define a pass..If I work a panel for say 6 minutes with a polish..and wipe it down to check...I called that 1 pass ..now if it needs more correction..thats starts the second pass...never know what a product does till you use it your self...and this polish being new..it may have well did the correction as shown...

I use menzerna alot and it does work best..

my last order

Products ordered
SKU Product Tax Item price Quantity Total

18 Menzerna Final Finish (PO85RD) 1 L €19.95 x 2 €39.90
SKU310 Menzerna Final Finish PO85RE5 €14.95 x 3 €44.85
SKU301 Menzerna Final Finish PO106FF €16.95 x 2 €33.90
SKU278 Menzerna Intensive Polish PO85RD3.01 - 500ml €14.95 x 4 €59.80
Subtotal: €178.45
Shipping cost: €49.43

Total: €227.88

and another order..as you see I did ask about the 106FA

Hello Alan

Prices pretty much as is .. postage has changed a bit, not much .. I only have the PO106FF and not the 106FA

so it works out at EUR73.00 for the 3 Litres (1500ml PO106FF, 1000ml PO85RD3 IP & 500ml PO85RD) + EUR51.50 P & P = EUR124.50 GROSS for everything delivered. (2 boxes).

I will have to mix things up slightly as PO106FF is a bit heavier and hard to scrape under the 2kg weight limit, but will put the litre in with 500ml of PO85RD.

Then put the 500ml of PO106FF with the 1000ml PO85RD3 etc. Same thing in the end.

Regards,

Is menzerna worth it and do the job...YES

Al

ptaylor_9849 · 04-18-07, 08:57

Justin, please don't feel that people are attacking you personally. It's just that your original post would have many believe that if they simply make one pass using 106FA, they may achieve similar results. I have used Menzerna polishes for years and I have NEVER had results like that with just one pass. Please know that most of us here are eager to learn from others and we are all searching for that magical recipe that will provide the best results with the least amount of time, effort and investment. As I stated before, I had a mark on my hood that I put there accidentally with the edge of a microfiber polishing cloth. This was not a scratch it was simply marring. I spent three hours on that area with my PC on speed six and a 6.5" yellow LC CCS compounding pad with 106FF. Many, many, many passes later it didn't budge and please know that my hood was no where near as bad as the car in your photos. Hopefully, people aren't attacking you personally, they are just not getting the same results your friend claims he got and that is what is raising eyebrows.

Respectfully,

Patrick

01bluecls · 04-18-07, 08:59

Like I said Im not here to start wars and I say I know everything. It just seems very far fetched, that is all. If a PC and 106FA can pull results like that ALONE, then I will sell my rotary and all my polishes and just use that combo. I did read the original thread linked and he did mention using IP in some areas. Im basing my opinion off of my personal experience. I have done MANY SOFT paints and PC always seems to leave some micromarring that may not show on photos or be able to see more then a foot away.

Also, what leaves me to believe is the original poster has much to gain since the person seems to retail all the products he uses in the thread. Making people believe that 106FA is easy to use, and his results can be achieved by those pics, he stands to make a lot of sales. I have seen a lot of work posted on this forum and I cant remember ANYONE posting before and after pics like that from a single PC step with a light polish and polishing pad. That is why I am skeptical of the facts that are presented. Now if, the results acheived were from a rotary, more aggressive poilsh, or multiple passes with the PC I would not be having this conversation.

I may be wrong about the whole thing, but something just doesnt add up

If I am wrong, I apologize.

01bluecls · 04-18-07, 09:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptaylor_9849

Justin, please don't feel that people are attacking you personally. It's just that your original post would have many believe that if they simply make one pass using 106FA, they may achieve similar results. I have used Menzerna polishes for years and I have NEVER had results like that with just one pass. Please know that most of us here are eager to learn from others and we are all searching for that magical recipe that will provide the best results with the least amount of time, effort and investment. As I stated before, I had a mark on my hood that I put there accidentally with the edge of a microfiber polishing cloth. This was not a scratch it was simply marring. I spent three hours on that area with my PC on speed six and a 6.5" yellow LC CCS compounding pad with 106FF. Many, many, many passes later it didn't budge and please know that my hood was no where near as bad as the car in your photos. Hopefully, people aren't attacking you personally, they are just not getting the same results your friend claims he got and that is what is raising eyebrows.

Respectfully,

Patrick

Very well said...

Justin Im not attacking you directly or indirectly. I just feel ALL the facts are not being represented, intentionally or not.

DieselMDX · 04-18-07, 09:18

Just to let you guys know I found a connection for Menz 85rd in USA, I will be making a thread when i find more info but if you are interested PM me because they probly will go fast.

01bluecls · 04-18-07, 09:31

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Originally Posted by budman3

Why is there a Makita rotary in the last picture when he says he did it via PC? I see that he used the PC on the Detailing World site but I think he may have had some help from Mr. Makita...

Good catch! ... Im sure the tool is not just lying around, you can see there is polish build up on the pad and im sure someone isnt going to lay a buffer one foot away from the car when its not going to be used.