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Old 03-13-07, 08:57   #25 (permalink)
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

Nothing against Optimum but if it doesn't work for you try Mothers Powerpolish. It's fairly idiot prooof and leaves a nice finish.
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Old 03-13-07, 09:57   #26 (permalink)
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

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Do you find the same to be true with Poli-Seal or does it typically take a little more product since its an all-in-one product?
I use a little more since the product does two jobs. Still, it doesn't take much product.
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Old 03-14-07, 09:02   #27 (permalink)
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

I'm going to have to re-try OP and OC again. I had the same problem with hazing (PC and rotary) on my C5 (red) Vette. I repaired it with FP and Z-PC.
I too may have been using too much product.

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Old 03-14-07, 10:10   #28 (permalink)
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

Accumulator, thanks for the kind words, but I don't think that I could compete with your levels of expertise/experience.

Frito, exactly what Scott said.
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Old 03-14-07, 10:51   #29 (permalink)
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

Interesting... I used the Optimum polish for the firs time the other day and found it worked beautifully. But my paint is fairly new so maybe the clear is a little softer.

I also used only a small amount as well.

But I only have the shop lights (flourescent? ) on a stand to look at the finish and it looked great... don't know what I would see with another light.
 
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Old 03-14-07, 10:58   #30 (permalink)
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

I've had great results with OP on a PC and rotary. I start with 4-5 pea size amounts on the pad to prime it, once it is primed I will only use 2 pea sized dots to do 1/2-3/4 a door.
Sometimes I just blot the pad over the area I need and add 1 pea sized amount. You would be surprized how much the pad holds once it has been primed.
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Old 03-14-07, 11:12   #31 (permalink)
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Setec Astronomy & Bence- Oh stop it you guys There are things that others do better than I do and things that I do better than others. Heh heh, I have a pretty favorable opinion of my abilities (and an ego the size of a small planet ), but I'm a realist about this stuff.

For the little bit of polishing I do, I guess I'm getting more and more adamant about nice steep learning curves. And you can't get much steeper than having already become familiar with a product

Setec brought up a good point about the pad-centric nature of the Optimum line, that's a bit antithetical to how *I* approach correction; I'm more product-centric overall. People doing a scad of vehicles in a commerical setting might very well benefit from getting the hang of something like OP.
 
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Old 03-14-07, 11:34   #32 (permalink)
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

Thanks to all who have provided input.

I still find it hard to believe you can use so little!!!! It would seem the pad would be doing most of the work with that amount of polish on there. I guess this does bode well from a business perspective...I can see my 32 ounce bottles of OP/OC lasting for DECADES!

One comment I noticed was that the finish looked perfect under flourescent....mine did too. Perhaps it is more the nature of silver paint, as I recall Accumulator addressing this topic some time ago, but the flourescents did not show any micromarring on my silver paint. It was only with an incandescent light that the marring became VERY evident.

The situation actually worked out well, because since the car was new (and prepped properly by myself) it was totally swirl-free. Only that one area was swirled and very slightly so. That enabled me to polish that area only, and, conversely, have a good litmus test as to how the polishes were working - since it was only a part of the hood, I could see the light relefting from the same angle on the non-marred part as well as the marred part....

What I think is disappointing is the finicky-ness of the OP/OC. I don't mind putting in the time for proper technique, but I must say I've become a bit spoiled with the menzerna products which, for all intensive purposes, have been very technique-independent.

With regards to poli-seal, I've had decent luck with it as an AIO, but there are 2 issues I've had - one documented and another I haven't read too much about. The first is that it "disappears" - you just have to trust it is there. The second is the work time. I've read that it has some swirl removing capabilities, but I've yet to see it make a dent in any type of swirling, no matter how minor. This may again come down to work time, as we've been discussing here with regards to the OP/OC. Perhaps my impatience is to blame for all of this disappointment!!!

As far as rotary goes - that makes sense as a rotary completely changes the dynamics of how a polish is worked/broken down, but at the same time, I'm reticent to use a rotary on a job that I know can be easily accomplished with a PC - I guess that goes back to the whole theory of using the least abrasive product for the job - I view tools for the job the same way (pads, buffers).

Another thing I've been thinking of is the color of the paint itself. Being that it was silver, it makes the product harder to see on the surface, which may have contributed to me using too much. With Menzerna, I already know how much to use, so it didn't matter what the surface looked like during buffing - I knew I was working the proper amount. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) I've sold my black car, and don't anticipate owning another black car again, so I'll have to find a willing friend or colleague with a dark vehicle to test the Optimum on, as I'm still nervous about using it on a customer vehicle, due in part to my lack of familiarity with it.

I saw some mention of buffing videos, does anyone have a video of the optimum polishes being used by PC and/or Rotary? I'm determined to become proficient with these products!

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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

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I must say I've become a bit spoiled with the menzerna products which, for all intensive purposes, have been very technique-independent.
me too.....

Menzerna IP with an orange LC pad and PC at 5-6 finishes down wonderfully on my C5....
 
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

Before I ever had used Optimum, I had read here that...er...optimum results would come from using very little, so I didn't really have any appreciable learning curve, although I was working on a fairly light colored car with horrible swirls. I'm wondering if the lumpy polish episode also lead to some inconsistency in the product (bottle to bottle) which might account for differing user experiences.
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

How does the amount of Optimum polish and compound used compare to the amount of Menzerna PO106FF and PO85RD you should use?
 
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Old 03-14-07, 02:16   #36 (permalink)
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Re: Optimum Polish - Less than Optimum....

Based on the pictures I've seen here, and my experience with Menzerna, it appears to be about half as much.
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