WTB: Zymol Vintage - Page 4

MoeMistry · 05-01-07, 10:44

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Originally Posted by DieselMDX

I was looking at pics of Paul Dalton use his Royal with a applicator he stated to me on detailing world that using a app is a better way to apply estate. I have ital but I am not sure how i should apply it

Paul is applying the wax improperly. Not sure why he would tell you to put royale on by applicator. In his videos, he's doing it by hand. Apply Ital by hand.

MoeMistry · 05-01-07, 10:48

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Originally Posted by velobard

MM, have you used Zymol Titanium? With the other Zymol products I already have I don't anticipate buying it anytime soon, but I am curious about it. How does it compare in appearance and durability with the other Zymol offerings, both the cheaper ones and the more expensive EGs?

I use Titanium on my standard details. It should last roughly 2-3 months with proper care. Compared to the estate glazes such as Concours and Destiny, the results are night and day. You will get a much deeper and more intense color from the higher end waxes. Protection is higher too. You can use a foam pad to apply Titanium and everything else higher you do with bare hands. If you ever take a small peanut size amount of the estate glaze waxes, you notice a gritty feeling. That I'm told is raw white carnauba. You have to melt it in your hands to properly break it down and then you massge it into the finish.

DieselMDX · 05-01-07, 10:55

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Originally Posted by MoeMistry

Paul is applying the wax improperly. Not sure why he would tell you to put royale on by applicator. In his videos, he's doing it by hand. Apply Ital by hand.

yeah I think we have all seen those videos, recently tho he had some pics of him putting royale on a BMW with a app.

Thanx for the info plan on putting it on today

DieselMDX · 05-01-07, 10:56

wow great info in this thread I hope you stay around Moe

NeilScarrott · 05-03-07, 10:39

This thread makes very interesting reading, I have just started using Zymol and Swissvax in the last year or so and fortunately one of the Directors of Zymol Europe lives very close and has passed on some great tips to me on how to use HD-Cleanse.

Firstly, HD Cleanse can be used by machine, the product does tend to dry out quickly though so I prefer hand application, but I know of several detailers in the UK who have been taught that machine application is possible.

Firstly, always make sure the applicator is damp, this makes the product work easier and the product goes further.

Next I always make sure I work the product on cool panels out of direct sunlight, do not let this product dry. Apply it in straight lines with your applicator and then remove the residue immediately. Work a small section at a time.

I will start working left to right and then when I have done the complete panel you can start a small section of that panel again, top to bottom. If that small section appears improved, you can do the whole panel again. Continue this until you notice no further improvement.

When the applicator is loaded with product, you can mist some water on the applicator and effectively reuse the residue on the applicator without going for new product.

I tend to do this on glass as HD Cleanse is a very good glass cleanser.

HD Cleanse is well worth it, a fantastic product which leaves an amazing finish. Dare I say it, in seeing alot of high end waxes being applied, I think that the HD Cleanse adds the majority of the look, perhaps 70% with the wax adding the final 30%.

I have successfully used HD Cleanse and topped with other waxes such as Victoria Concours (a fantastic budget option) and Swissvax Best of Show (for a bling finish).

Hope that helps.

DieselMDX · 05-03-07, 10:56

thank you Neil great post

Steelth · 05-03-07, 11:13

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Originally Posted by MoeMistry

That I'm told is raw white carnauba. You have to melt it in your hands to properly break it down and then you massge it into the finish.

There is no such thing as white carnuba Yellow is the purest. This is a fact. Maybe it is the yellow carnuba but not the "white". It's probably because the montan oil aka the Solvent is in much lower proportion to the amount of wax therefore making it harder and not as soft a wax. Like the Concours or Titanium. Probably less Bees wax in the vintage too. I wish I knew the percentages of the ingridients

RCBuddha · 05-03-07, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Steelth

There is no such thing as white carnuba Yellow is the purest. This is a fact. Maybe it is the yellow carnuba but not the "white". It's probably because the montan oil aka the Solvent is in much lower proportion to the amount of wax therefore making it harder and not as soft a wax. Like the Concours or Titanium. Probably less Bees wax in the vintage too. I wish I knew the percentages of the ingridients

Ok, and you know this information how? Care to cite your sources? Are you a vendor/manufacturer?

Not trying to pick on you, but let's not turn this into another thread like the one benvegas posted recently.

BLKSWAN · 05-03-07, 11:48

moe,

how does the ital compare to the concours? i recently purchased some ital on ebay (too good a deal to pass up) and i was just wondering how it compares to concours or the others. also, i do not have a ferrari, which i think it is supposedly designed for, but i have an 07 tahoe and an 07 maxima. any insight on the ital would be nice to know.

thanks in advance

Steelth · 05-03-07, 11:55

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Originally Posted by RCBuddha

Ok, and you know this information how? Care to cite your sources? Are you a vendor/manufacturer?

Not trying to pick on you, but let's not turn this into another thread like the one benvegas posted recently.

I'm not sure if benvegas started the superior sealant thread or not. The so called "white" carnuba is a very light yellow close to white in color. But still the same grade and funtionally is the same as the yellow depending on how long until it is extracted from the trees. Wait a longer time and it goes into a browner color. If you are asking how I know about the other ingredients such as the montan oil as a solvent go look up montan wax it is a refined coal oil basically which is a solvent to soften the wax along with the propolis aka bees wax. Now if they bleach it or not I have no clue.

Picus · 05-03-07, 04:06

I'm glad to see Moe here too. I think it'll be good to have some Zymol users around so those of us who haven't used it can get good info on it from guys with experience. I've always been interested in trying some of the estate glazes, so I'm looking forward to hearing more about them. I just got some Concours, just waiting on some HD cleanse before I use it.

Wise 85 · 05-03-07, 04:44

Zymol Titanium is one of the seven Estate Glaze waxes offered by Zymol, and should also be applied by bare hands.