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Old 08-06-06, 11:59   #85 (permalink)
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Hi Ron,
I always use ZFX, even for a single layer. The reason I stated the ZFX-less final coat for the day was to reflect your plan which was okay to go with a single top coat of ZFX-less Z2PRO. If you have access to syringes mix up 2-3cc (~1/8 oz) of Z2PRO with 1 drop of ZFX. This will be plenty for one coat.

The new PRO series of Z2 and Z5 are really quite potent and maximal gains are reached quite easily with 3 coats. It is necessary sometimes to apply as many as 6 coats of Z5PRO to completely fill/ visually hide very minor blemishes. A pre-test I use to predetermine how effective Z5PRO with be against a blemish is to do a oil-based glaze spot test. I apply a little glaze (i.e Imperial Hand Glaze or what glaze you have on hand) to a spot and see if the glaze will fill/visually hide the blemish. If it fails, I know the blemish is too deep for several applications of Z5PRO and further polishing is required. This test should be performed outdoors under natural lighting because both glazes and Z5PRO function via filling and optically changing the way light interacts with the blemish. After using Z5PRO on a familiar vehicle (personal) this test becomes unnecessary because you will develope an eye for the limits of Z5PRO.

If the finish passes the glaze test. Re-clean the spot with IPA and start the fun and easy part of detailing - applying the LSP.

Z8 can be used as often as you please but each session should only consist of one application/day.
Great info - thanks!

I only have oral syringes that I used with my kids to dispense medicine (I have tons of them). They have ML and tablespoon measurements. How many ML's does that translate to? (about 10?)

So the goal is to Z5 Pro is to use it like a glaze until no flaws can be seen - that's a useful tidbit that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet.

Thanks for the tip about testing if I'm ready Z5 and the note about only one coat of Z8 per day. Great stuff!
 
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Ron,

Steps 5-9 should take you no longer than 2-3 hrs max. The hard part and most time comsuming part is your Prep on Saturday. Focus and get yourself up for Saturday's prep. Sunday will be a breeze and step #10 Monday Z8 session should only take 15-20 mins max.
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All of this information is terrific. I have been using Zaino products for about 2 years now but never to this detail. I now know much more about how to apply and thoroughly use these products, which I love.

Any suggestions on what combination of z5/z2 to polish an Aspen White car? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 
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Great info - thanks!

I only have oral syringes that I used with my kids to dispense medicine (I have tons of them). They have ML and tablespoon measurements. How many ML's does that translate to? (about 10?)

So the goal is to Z5 Pro is to use it like a glaze until no flaws can be seen - that's a useful tidbit that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet.

Thanks for the tip about testing if I'm ready Z5 and the note about only one coat of Z8 per day. Great stuff!
No problem.

1 tablespoon (tbsp) = 15 milliliter (ml)

Using 1/3 of the "measured" volume of your syringe will give you 3 ml

1ml = 1cc

2-3 ml will be plently for one coats on your topless Porsche.
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All of this information is terrific. I have been using Zaino products for about 2 years now but never to this detail. I now know much more about how to apply and thoroughly use these products, which I love.

Any suggestions on what combination of z5/z2 to polish an Aspen White car? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
On my Olympic white (non-metallic pastel) Escalade I love 2 coats of Z2PRO over an equal number of Z5PRO after prepping surface. I love the added "POP" an additional coat of Z2PRO adds to light colors.
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Ron,

On all my Zaino coats, I use ZFX with each and every time I apply. It just adds in a perfect coating/bonding and aid in cure times.

After 3 coats of Z5 with ZFX, let it sit (meaning do not add another coat) for one day (yes drive, but if you get debris, wash with Z7, a quick Z6 wipe) then I coat with Z2-Pro with ZFX for my remaining coats. Z6 or Z8 between each coat.

Maintain with Z6. Z8 should be used for those days you want the WOW factor!

Once your done, you'll love how easy it now is to maintain! Don't forget the wheels!!

Sorry I didn't get back quicker, I'm rolling out a new Target store (network and all) for a 5 week period.

Enjoy your Zaino!

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Ron,

On all my Zaino coats, I use ZFX with each and every time I apply. It just adds in a perfect coating/bonding and aid in cure times.

After 3 coats of Z5 with ZFX, let it sit (meaning do not add another coat) for one day (yes drive, but if you get debris, wash with Z7, a quick Z6 wipe) then I coat with Z2-Pro with ZFX for my remaining coats. Z6 or Z8 between each coat.

Maintain with Z6. Z8 should be used for those days you want the WOW factor!

Once your done, you'll love how easy it now is to maintain! Don't forget the wheels!!

Sorry I didn't get back quicker, I'm rolling out a new Target store (network and all) for a 5 week period.

Enjoy your Zaino!

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Thanks Deanski! I just can't do the 3 day detail thing. I need to be done in 2 days and my prep work on Saturday will take me the full day. I can do a Z8 on Monday only because I know I can find 30 minutes (at most) that day. I'll leave the car parked too so I can finish it up without having to re-wash it.

I know you hate Rejex, but it has been doing a good job for me on the wheels. If I feel inspired, I might do Zaino on it but I'm more likely to try the windows before I do that.
 
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Final plan (after talking to Sal Zaino)

Okay, I just spent 15 minutes talking to Sal Zaino about my plan below and he had a lot of interesting things to say (great guy). Based on that conversation, here's my final plan:

NOTE: I have a metallic midnight blue (almost black) Porsche 911 cabriolet (so no top to finish), so let me know if I need to use different products or combos.

1. I will wash my car as usual with with Griots Car Wash (although Sal likes his better ).

2. I'll clay as needed using Griots Clay as I like it more than Sonus & Zaino's. (I don't clay while washing because I have to wash in the sun and that will result in water spots)

3. I'll polish any defects out of the paint using Griots Machine Polish 3 (or 2 if there any bad spots).

4. I prepare the paint with a coat of Griots Paint Prep which helps to remove wax & sealants. Sal recommends washing again at this step, but he didn't seem very familiar with Paint Prep, so I don't believe re-washing is necessary.

5. I'll spray the car down with one coat of Z6 and wipe it off (in sections of course) using a blue Sonus MF towel.

6. I'll mix a HALF ounce of Z5 Pro with 2 drops of ZFX and apply a THIN layer to the whole car (as I would do with Klasse AIO & SG) using a Z6 moistend microfiber applicator (orange Sonus ones).

7. Based on Sal's comments, by the time I'm done applying to the whole car it should be ready to remove. I'll test it first, but it sounds a lot like the dry time of Klasse AIO (an on / off product).

8. I'll buff off the first coat in the garage and then repeat steps 5 & 6. I'll repeat step 7 afterwards. Sal says 2 coats of Z5 Pro is plenty. Anymore is just wasting the product.

9. I'll REPEAT step 5 (Z6), then I'll use straight Z2 Pro WITHOUT ZFX and apply a THIN layer to the whole car using a Z6 moistend microfiber applicator for one final coat. (NOTE: Sal says your final coat doesn't need ZFX. You can use it, but it isn't required NOR is a long cure time required - wipe on and wipe off is sufficent).

10. According to Sal, immediately after the last coat of Z2 Pro has been removed, I'll ]finish with a SINGLE coat of Z8 when I do a full car wipe down using a Sonus Blue MF towel.

Sal claims that steps 5 - 10 could be done in as little as 45 minutes with the best possible results that the product will offer. I don't think I move that fast, but I guess the real point is that all of these claims about long cure times don't offer any benefit (according to Sal).

If I have the engergy, I might prep my windows and wheels and do those in advance of the Sunday marathon.

Other interesting notes from my conversation with Sal:
  • Sal claims that Werkerstat and Klasse products are made by the same supplier so they are the same product. Both are VOC compliant which he claims translates into Klasse AIO not being as good now as it used to be before it was VOC compliant. He's not a fan of Klasse, but I love the stuff personally.
  • He stated clearly that you SHOULD NOT use Z8 moistened applicators, but rather use Z6. He made it sound like that it was a waste, but he was pretty clear that I shouldn't do that.
  • He seemed to think there is no harm in putting some Z8 in with your Z5 or Z2. He doesn't feel like he can notice any benefit, but he said it doesn't hurt and if someone can see a benefit then sure go for it.
  • He stated the main benefit of ZFX is to allow immediate curing. The reduced dry time is a side effect, but not the purpose of ZFX. He said that it is nonsense to think that using Z2 Pro or Z5 Pro with ZFX requires long cure times - it simply doesn't.
  • Sal said there's no advantage to NOT using ZFX - he claims it is required if you are going to do multiple coats in the same day, but it isn't required on the last coat (but you can still use it if you like).
  • If you screw up with any Zaino product (Z2, Z5, Z8, etc...) then you should simply get a wet towel and wipe it off. In the case of Z2 & Z5 with ZFX, you don't need to re-apply because the bottom layer would have bonded, so you are good to go for your next step.

If you have ANY questions about these claims, I encourage you to send mail to Sal (sal@zainobros.com) and then call him at 732-833-8800 to discuss it (he'll tell you to call him in e-mail).
 
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Thanks Deanski! I just can't do the 3 day detail thing. I need to be done in 2 days and my prep work on Saturday will take me the full day. I can do a Z8 on Monday only because I know I can find 30 minutes (at most) that day. I'll leave the car parked too so I can finish it up without having to re-wash it.

I know you hate Rejex, but it has been doing a good job for me on the wheels. If I feel inspired, I might do Zaino on it but I'm more likely to try the windows before I do that.

Not that I hate Rejex, it just looks like very early Zaino, plastic looking in nature. Some like the look. It does hold up well. If you have it on the wheels now, ah why bother adding Zaino to the wheel at this point. Once it's worn off, then give it a try.

The Z8 should take you very little time (a QD) and will enhance the look.

Prep is the key no matter if it's Zaino, wax, etc. I always take my time in getting the finish as perfect and glossy by itself so it looks like a paino finish.

Have a good time!!

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Not that I hate Rejex, it just looks like very early Zaino, plastic looking in nature. Some like the look. It does hold up well. If you have it on the wheels now, ah why bother adding Zaino to the wheel at this point. Once it's worn off, then give it a try.

The Z8 should take you very little time (a QD) and will enhance the look.

Prep is the key no matter if it's Zaino, wax, etc. I always take my time in getting the finish as perfect and glossy by itself so it looks like a paino finish.

Have a good time!!

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Yep, thanks. I'm looking forward to it!

I've got a couple friends with killer cameras and supposidly some decent photography skills who have volunteered to photograph the car when I'm done on some sites around my town. Hopefully we'll get some sweet shots.
 
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If Rejex is similar to Glare then it's simply an average product. I used up my remaining Glare sample on our work truck. First rain it beaded like crazy. The vehicle has only been washed 1 or 2 times in about 3 months. When I washed it saturday the water didn't bead or sheet at all. Dirt was hard to remove and IMO even if something was on the surface it certainly didn't act like it did after application. Maybe more frequent washing might have helped but I wouldn't spend my $$$ on Rejex or Glare.
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If Rejex is similar to Glare then it's simply an average product. I used up my remaining Glare sample on our work truck. First rain it beaded like crazy. The vehicle has only been washed 1 or 2 times in about 3 months. When I washed it saturday the water didn't bead or sheet at all. Dirt was hard to remove and IMO even if something was on the surface it certainly didn't act like it did after application. Maybe more frequent washing might have helped but I wouldn't spend my $$$ on Rejex or Glare.
Durability isn't the issue with Rejex. It is actually quite durable and very slick. The issue with it is that it has more of a plastic wrap appearance, which you can't really noticed on silver wheels.

I've never heard of Glare, so I don't know why you would compare it to Rejex as the two companies don't appear to have any affiliation with each other. Rejex also claims to have a patent on their product and that they developed it in house for the military to use on Jet's and Helicopters. Rejex is a very popular product for planes.
 
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