Tried DG #105 this weekend...my thoughts

[ashsarna]

Originally Posted by mongo

The Duragloss 111 actually says it has silicone in it, the new 105 does not.
Duragloss plainly says the 111 polish uses polymeric silicones.

regards mongo

Good point, you are right.

Also, this may be an OTC product, but that means nothing to me. Boutique or otc, whatever, if it is good that's all that matters. I only pay attention to the labeling to know how accessible something is for me. Hey, if #105 happens to live up to the hype and give me comparable results to the other excellent products (PB, zaino ect), and it's otc assesible, great. It means more choices for us.

FWIW, DG is run by a small company, two brothers (both chemists) have, since the seventies, been working/formulating these products. Jerry, one of the brothers, seems very genuine, very appreciative of their customer base and upfront on what they do. They are always, at least the past several times I have called inquiring about a product, available to talk to a customer(seems no different than what a "boutique" company does) like PB (another fav of mine). My .02$.

[AL-53]

Originally Posted by mongo

The Duragloss 111 actually says it has silicone in it, the new 105 does not.
Duragloss plainly says the 111 polish uses polymeric silicones.

As far as waht is in Zaino I have a good idea Ron Kethcum has revealed what it was on an detailing forum.

regards mongo

Can yo direct me where it says contains silicone's...I have not found it on the box or on the site....or from the chemist..from what is told to me it contains a urethane type polymer and acrylic resin of their design... and no silicone's of what sort....

their polymers are of a unique complex that took 100 formulas to get the one that they have now...


Al

[blkZ28Conv]

Originally Posted by AL-53

Can yo direct me where it says contains silicone's...I have not found it on the box or on the site....or from the chemist..from what is told to me it contains a urethane type polymer and acrylic resin of their design... and no silicone's of what sort....

their polymers are of a unique complex that took 100 formulas to get the one that they have now...

Al

Call DG
1-800-638 7245 and ask for Jerry (chemist) in tech support at DG. Really nice and informative gentleman. Jerry actually returned my call because his line was busy when I first called.

I am paraphasing:
Our 105 is a silicone polymer formula (the good stuff). It has absolutely no acrylic resin or urethane-type polymer in the formulation.

[AL-53]

Originally Posted by AZ Ferrari Man

thanks AL, but what do you think about layering given that the 105 has slight "cleaning abilities", woudn't it negate the fact that you had a layer underneath it? Also, how does the 105 look with AW on it? Is it compatible?

Thanks again for the help, about to place an order, just want to make the right decision!

the 105 will layer over it self....put on by hand application..cleaners are very mild..useing a PC may boost them some what.. so hand is best..I have 3 layers on now..and was told that 3 is the perfect amount...for a wet non muted finish...and it does look great

I did 2 coats the first day to ensure perfect coverage...but I count that as 1 as it was not cured yet...then the next day added another coat...24 hours later my last coat...

and yes Aquawax just adds the frosting on the cake..you will see a difference for the better when you apply the AW...all the products ae slick..but the AW makes it real slick and wet looking..plus they get better as the days go on...


here is some pics of the truck after 1 coat..and it got better with the 3

http://autopia.org/forum/showthread....ight=duragloss

Al

[TigerMike]

Originally Posted by blkZ28Conv

Our 105 is a silicone polymer formula (the good stuff). It has absolutely no acrylic resin or urethane-type polymer in the formulation.

Yep, true. My question is, how do you know Zaino is not also a type of silicone polymer? Sal is always quick to say that the Z polishes contain no silicone *oils*, but what about silicone polymers? Does he ever state to you the "type" of polymer he uses?

I really didn't want to turn this review into a Z vs DG debate though. My goal was to offer my enthusiasm for Duragloss' new polish, which I find particularly good, and share my experience with everyone here who may also want to try this great new protectant.

[Slickery]

Originally Posted by TigerMike

I really didn't want to turn this review into a Z vs DG debate though.

You can't be serious, this is exactly what was going to happen, reread your initial post, lol. Every other point was DG vs Z. Don't be afraid of it Mike, how are we all going to learn about stuff if we don't explore it a little. I don't think this thread is a flame or anything yet, but if you make the comparisons as you did in your review you can't really blame people for wanting to know more. You have peaked my curiousity to at least try DG. I'm going to see if Napa AP has it today.

[Slickery]

Originally Posted by Bence

Sure. They need to cure as well. When you see that a product has to cure, it uses these type of ingredients.
Old-fashioned, natural wax formulas doesn't have to cure but they are very rare now.

Originally Posted by Bence

How do you know? Almost all automotive polish/sealant formulations use curable, aminofunctional silicones.

Excuse my ignorance, all products that have to cure use Silicones? What about klasse? I know you know more than the rest of us so shed some light on that please. Is acryllic some type of silicone? Are all polymers some type of silicone?

[AL-53]

Originally Posted by blkZ28Conv

Call DG
1-800-638 7245 and ask for Jerry (chemist) in tech support at DG. Really nice and informative gentleman. Jerry actually returned my call because his line was busy when I first called.

I am paraphasing:
Our 105 is a silicone polymer formula (the good stuff). It has absolutely no acrylic resin or urethane-type polymer in the formulation.

When I talked to Jerry I was told differently..not that I am saying blkZ28Conv is wrong by any means...so do not get this wrong...

I was told that the polish was not of silicone products..but something they worked on that took 100 formulas to get what they got now..was said the polymers used would strongly bond to the paint giving it a urethane acrylic and polymer durability and look....through out the conversation the words acrylic and polymers were mentioned a lot...this conversation took place in June when I seen mention of the 105 polish here and called about it...so if the story is changed I do not know why...

But sorry if I was told wrong and told of what I was told....still do not not why story varies..but I do not think blkZ28Conv would lie about his conversation...

I knowing that Jerry would answer any bodys questions about the product I would not tell any different than what was told to me..in fact I believe some one else here called and was told the same as I was...it is a mystery but who knows.,....


so again Sorry if my information was incorrect..but they are still a great product....

also someone stated it was on the bottle off 111..I have it in front of me and can not find where it states silicone polymers....or the box...just says no silicone oils...



Al

[wannafbody]

I'm not sure we can ever tell what is in a product. Sometimes terminologies are vague so as to not reveal too much to the competition. Bottom line both Duragloss and Zaino are durable. Both tend to have different looks. Use the one you like best. The fast cure of ZFX is a nice benefit tho.

[06E90]

Originally Posted by Slickery

Excuse my ignorance, all products that have to cure use Silicones? What about klasse? I know you know more than the rest of us so shed some light on that please. Is acryllic some type of silicone? Are all polymers some type of silicone?

I believe that all silicones are polymers but not all polymers are silicones. If I remember correctly, polymer refers to any molecular compound formed fron repeating units so the name can apply to numerous substances and really means nothing specific. Silicone is a type of polymer. Acrylic is also a type of polymer. I'm not up to date on my chemistry but I THINK this is acurate.

[wannafbody]

it has been addressed elswhere that Duragloss stated that Zaino is a unique and their formulas aren't the same.

[Slickery]

Originally Posted by wannafbody

it has been addressed elswhere that Duragloss stated that Zaino is a unique and their formulas aren't the same.

Where's that?