#16 and CMW in a head to head competition - Page 2

JDookie · 11-08-04, 09:42

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Originally posted by Accumulator
ScottWAx- Sounds like a good comparo! One of these days you oughta try using the Cyclo with finishing pads to apply the wax. I just love doing #16 with that thing. It's not like you'll save any time, but it just seems to work a little differently by machine.

Not trying to hijack this thread or anything but do the pads on a cyclo oscillate or spin?

John Styrnol · 11-08-04, 12:23

That was the first time I used it. So, when I washed it I saw not much beading and she told me she took it to a car wash, I figure the stuff was basically gone. Nice to know that it was still there. Well, this weekend I put some Tropi-Care TC-3 on her car, so I guess the CMW is gone now, maybe not. She's happier with the way the car looks now.

Spilchy · 11-08-04, 12:40

I use and really enjoy both products.

Appearance and ease of use IMHO go to CMW and durability to #16 up here in the acid rain NorthEast.

I find CMW REALLY darkens the paint. It's amazing at its ability to do so.

I find its ease of use to be far superior to #16. I apply CMW to the whole car, let sit and then buff off. It comes off with zero effort even if you over apply. I liken it to EX-P in removal. Plus you can use it in the sun. #16 can be a bit of a pain if you let it dry especially if you accidentily use too much.

I'm curious about the durability by you, especially since you wash them frequently.

ALAN81 · 11-08-04, 02:19

Simple answer in the winter use #16 in the summer use CMW best of BOTH worlds

Scottwax · 11-08-04, 04:10

I know none of you will believe this, but the Escalade I used CMW on was last waxed in October of 2003, when he first got it....VM/CMW was what I used. It has beaded the entire time. Reasonable slickness too. Always washed with QEW and I think in all that time, it went through a conveyer car wash once, right after we had snow and I was buried in work. I QDed it a few times, maybe every two months or so. The Escalade was a demo with about 2000 miles on it and the customer specified no dealer prep be done since he was having me wax it immediately, so as far as both he and I know, it wasn't treated with a sealant either.

The main problem with it beading so long, for whatever reason, is that is why he waited a full year to have it waxed again. Every time I would ask him, he'd say "It beads when it rains and looks great, we can wait a while longer."

However, I have noticed that Tahoes, Suburbans and Escalades seem to bead for a very long time, much longer than you would expect. I am in no way ready to say CMW will protect for a full year, so please don't think I am suggesting it does. All I know is this particular Escalade was not waxed for slightly more than a year and beaded the entire time.

COBRyan · 11-08-04, 04:24

I used CMW on a Vette for a co-worker and it looked GORGEOUS. The car looked stunning and was very slick to the touch. Durability is not an issue with him since I will be detailing it once a month anyway.

Accumulator · 11-08-04, 04:32

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Originally posted by JDookie
Not trying to hijack this thread or anything but do the pads on a cyclo oscillate or spin?

That's a good question...and one that we've discussed before on other threads without reaching an absolute conclusion. Someday, somebody will have to ask Steve at CycloToolMakers about it and get the *real* answer.

The heads don't move in a truly "random" manner quite like the PC, they are directly gear driven (as per the diagram of the machine's innards, I haven't actually pulled one apart to see this first-hand). But the heads also spin freely in their mounting bosses, so it's sorta like you have two different spins going on simultaneously which end up making for a fairly random polishing action.

I know that's a pretty lousy explanation, so if anybody has a better one feel free to post it.

Scottwax · 11-08-04, 06:23

George-while the cyclo heads to seem to spin and oscillate at the same time, they do lay down a pattern very similar to the PC.

HotRodGuy · 11-08-04, 06:24

awesome test, am very eager to see the results Scott

JDookie · 11-08-04, 06:24

So it's like having a twin head PC?

Corey Bit Spank · 11-08-04, 06:47

#16's durability is going to be hard to beat, in my experience

Scottwax · 11-08-04, 06:53

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Originally posted by JDookie
So it's like having a twin head PC?

A twin head PC that doesn't bog down under pressure. You try to one hand a cyclo and it will pull itself around if you aren't expecting it.

Corey-yeah, #16 is pretty tough. Seems to really hold its appearance too.