New Megs Products

[Inzane]

Originally posted by Setec Astronomy
I have owned nothing but GM's

Wow, don't you think that's really limiting yourself? I guess you probably don't read (and enjoy) Brock Yates monthly column in Car & Driver, eh? Oh well, I'm off topic and that's a discussion for another day.

[Setec Astronomy]

Originally posted by Aurora40
I think if you want to do serious correction on a car and minimize excessive paint removal, etc, it isn't too much to expect that you have some familiarity with the products you want to use, and that you do some testing to see which is the appropriate one for that job. I think if a company tried to tout just one polish as the one for serious defect removal, in spite of the ease of choosing what to buy, I'd be a little hesitant to use it.

Of course, you're right...just sometimes it requires too much analysis...maybe they need a flow chart on their website to help you pick the right product for the task at hand.

As far as your comments about the new products not making the others more confusing...I think my complaint is that it's "NXT" shine...is it really different? If it was another Hot Shine...and they were labeled #1 thru #4, high to low gloss, then it would be easy to see where it was in the range...but now...if I go to Pep Boys, I will see NXT Insane Shine, Hot Shine High Gloss Aerosol, Hot Shine High Gloss Trigger, Endurance, and Endurance High Gloss. If we just look at the aerosols...which is shinier, Insane or High Gloss? Is one solvent-borne, the other water-borne? It won't say on the can. Or does the NXT really have "ESP" which makes it better than Hot Shine? And do they really need to keep the Hot Shine then, at a buck less a can?

I think we're just arguing around in circles here for nothing, so I'm not going to post anything else to this thread. I don't have my shorts in a bunch, I hope nobody else does.

[Setec Astronomy]

Originally posted by Inzane
Wow, don't you think that's really limiting yourself? I guess you probably don't read (and enjoy) Brock Yates monthly column in Car & Driver, eh? Oh well, I'm off topic and that's a discussion for another day.

I was making a point about how GM's products can be confusing, and I was identifying myself as a GM fan and owner so I wouldn't be accused of GM bashing without any background. And my collection of C/D goes back to about 1977, that's every issue since then.

[SteveOst]

Originally posted by Aurora40
Maybe they'll have a cleaner/wax, Gold Class, and Deep Crystal. But the differences in those are fairly clear. The cleaner/wax is a cleaner/wax. Deep Crystal is a $5 carnauba, and Gold Class touts itself as the flagship (or it did) and costs twice that. I've never seen Deep Crystal, #26, and #16 on the same shelf, or anything like that.

Really? Other than price and some jibber-jabber, what exactly IS the difference between Deep Crystal and Gold Class? Oh yes, the packaging. That helps alot. One is "cutting-edge" and "reflective." That helps alot too. Ok, for some reason, unknown to the casual eye, one boasts a lot more and costs more, so that must be the better one. Right? So how exactly does this make it better?
Still confused??

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Buick_guy1
What happened to the Meguiar's Rep/ Autopia member that was on here?

I'm still around...

I stay pretty busy, for the most part, I'm never caught up, always behind... not a good thing. I'm reading all of the messages in this thread and absorbing what's being said and who's saying it.

All I can say is... Meguiar's is listening... and changes are in the works...

Interesting points of views being shared here, that's for sure.

Mike

[ALAN81]

The simple fact that is in front of out nose is that MEGS will probley reevulate the sales of all there products in the near future and probley start ending many of them.I know there are a lot of items out there by one company a lot of lines will be cut because of bad sales

[rjstaaf]

I hear a lot of lumping all the different lines consumer, professional, detailer and body shop together. I think one thing I am hearing from this is people are expecting Meguiars to take responsibility for the users lack of experience and basically hand hold them in the use of products that are designed for professionals. This is along the same lines of someone who has never used a rotary buffer getting mad at the manufacturer because they didn't provide a manual that told you exactly how to use it. There is some expectation here that if you are going to buy a product from the professional lines that you have some experience with these types of products.

As Aurora40 already pointed out there is really no way you can accurately rank abrassives from 1-10 in ALL situations. Just one example that comes to mind is #80 and #82. #80 is a 4 on Meguiars scale and #82 is a 3. That would lead you to believe that #80 is more agressive than #82 which it is but, the abrassives in #80 break down rather quickly whereas the abrassives in #82 take longer to break down so in effect #82 can be just as effective if you work it longer. There are reasons for the different products, just because they are not readily apparent to you does not mean there is no reason for them. There is just no replacement for experience.


Now, if we are going to talk about JUST the consumer line I would tend to agree there is some overlap there. As others have said though Meguiars is probably re-evaluating older products and will probably discontinue some of them when they run out of stock. Keep in mind that with the new VOC regulations quickly approaching you are going to see a lot of companies either disappear or as has been phrased "re-invent" themselves.

[Alfisti]

It's only reasonable for a manufacturer to introduce their new line of products before they discontinue some overlapping legacy products. No? Give them time.

Personally, I'm pleased with more choices...you can't get anal with only one or two products!

I agree with some of the comments as regards labelling. The contemporary consumer tends to be more teachable (and perhaps, more demanding/discriminating) than in days of yore.

Its good to see Megs getting into brushes and towels. They may, or may not, end up being the best equipment on the market (we'll just have to try them), but at least if Joe Average buys a MF towel (or anything) from a reputable company like Megs, he knows it won't be cheap and nasty like some supermarket MF. In other word, a Megs product can be trusted to produce, at least, a good result...and that should be welcome.

The same goes for the new Mothers products just released.

More quality choices for us, and let the marketing people discover whether their choices were wise.

[Setec Astronomy]

I have to add one more thing for you guys to think about...if you ask for a Meguiar's print catalog, my latest one is 28 pages of content. Out of that, there are 4 pages related to paint care, which includes wash, clay, polish, wax, and QD. Sure, there are a few more pages (6 to be exact) with "collections" that include paint care products, but the majority of the catalog is focused on topics other than paint care (and no, it's not all wheel and interior products, they take up 4 pages).

I mean, I need a carbon fiber business card holder as much as the next guy, but I kind of expect the major content of the catalog to be related to detailing.

[jfelbab]

Hey, careful, I love my carbon fiber business card holder. I get comments about it from several of my customers.

[SteveOst]

Originally posted by rjstaaf
I hear a lot of lumping all the different lines consumer, professional, detailer and body shop together. I think one thing I am hearing from this is people are expecting Meguiars to take responsibility for the users lack of experience...
There are reasons for the different products, just because they are not readily apparent to you does not mean there is no reason for them. There is just no replacement for experience.

I don't think people automatically come with experience. Everyone has to start somewhere. If you expect me to make my own choice, wouldn't I need enough information to do that? That is MY beef. Too many products without enough information to make an INFORMED choice. And then you throw in the "consumer" line pitted against the "professional" line. Hey, I might be a dumb beginner with zero knowledge, but I'm smart enough to know that the "professional" line is much superior to the "consumer" line -- right? Are you getting MY point yet? You point out the differences between #80 and #82 -- that is the kind of information that I need to make an informed decision.

I believe Meguiar's should put enough of that type of information on their labels. What is it? Where does it fit in the grand scheme of things? When would I want to use it? Help me choose the RIGHT product and I'll be a happier customer for it. If the only difference between this "consumer" bottle and the "professional" grade is, this is 16 ounces and that is 1 gallon, I think that should be mentioned.

Anyway, I think I've had enough of this discussion so with this I'll bid ado to this thread.

[rjstaaf]

Originally posted by SteveOst
I don't think people automatically come with experience. Everyone has to start somewhere. If you expect me to make my own choice, wouldn't I need enough information to do that? That is MY beef. Too many products without enough information to make an INFORMED choice. And then you throw in the "consumer" line pitted against the "professional" line. Hey, I might be a dumb beginner with zero knowledge, but I'm smart enough to know that the "professional" line is much superior to the "consumer" line -- right? Are you getting MY point yet? You point out the differences between #80 and #82 -- that is the kind of information that I need to make an informed decision.

Again, the professional lines are neither intended for or marketed to the consumer. If you want to use them you are gonna have to learn the same way everyone else does.

I believe Meguiar's should put enough of that type of information on their labels. What is it? Where does it fit in the grand scheme of things? When would I want to use it? Help me choose the RIGHT product and I'll be a happier customer for it. If the only difference between this "consumer" bottle and the "professional" grade is, this is 16 ounces and that is 1 gallon, I think that should be mentioned.

There is absolutely no way Meguiars could fit that kind of information on a label. There are many variables that have to be taken into consideration like the hardness of your paint, the severity of the defect, whether you are working by hand or machine. There is absolutely no way Meguairs can tell you what product is correct for each and every situation without knowing what the situation is to begin with so expecting them to put that on a label is just rediculous.

Anyway, I think I've had enough of this discussion so with this I'll bid ado to this thread.

You are trying to take the quick route and bypass what takes most people a long time to learn and it just isn't going to happen. A good place to start learning is right here.