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Old 10-01-04, 05:01   #1 (permalink)
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Menzerna Ceramiclear Polish and FMJ Full Review (finally)

Menzerna PO-85RD and PO-106 Ceramiclear Polishes

Before I begin the review, I just want to say that the reason I am reviewing the two polishes together is 1) They are the only Ceramiclear Polishes in Menzerna’s line (currently) and 2) they behaved the absolute same way other than cutting ability and viscosity.

PO-85RD = 1.5 of 5 in cut (similar to Poorboys’ SSR1, Meguiar’s #82 Swirl Free Polish)
PO106 = 2.5 of 5 in cut (similar to Poorboy’s SSR 2, Meguiar’s #80 Speed Glaze)

Packaging : I cannot not comment on this area as I received the product as a sample from an Autopian member (Thanks Dino).

Smell : They both had virtually no smell, however when worked in they took on a slightly ‘mineral’ smell. Sort of like a Metamucil or vitamin scent.

Viscosity : They are both relatively thin liquids. PO106 is slightly thicker only because the abrasive content is higher.

The way I worked the polishes : I worked in 2’x 2’ sections with my Makita Rotary Polisher using a Lake Country White Polishing Pad @ 1500 rpm. I laid two beads of product 6” long each and equal distance apart. I primed the pad with a couple spritz’ of Poorboy’s Spray and Wipe. I started by smearing the polish in with the pad/polisher before activating the polisher. I worked the polishes in with medium pressure, overlapping each pass, then breaking to a lighter pressure, again overlapping each pass, and finally a very light pressure, overlapping each pass. This method proved to fully exercise the fine abrasives in these polishes. After the passes were complete there was virtually no residue. I wiped clean with a Viper MF and moved to the next section.

Thoughts: I like the polishes a lot. They are very easy to work with on the rotary polisher. They are also both versatile enough to be worked in completely with ZERO buffer marring, leading to a direct application of an LSP (last step product). The gloss level is 5 of 5 and I will agree with Menzerna on that. It is of the highest I have experienced among polishes. It left a slightly wet, very glossy, clear, and reflective finish with ZERO milkiness (cloudy/milky look on paint). The feel they left was not very smooth but a slight squeak to it letting you know that there are no fillers/oils in these polishes.

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- Menzerna recommends only using rotary polishers for these polishes, but due to the ‘wet’ consistency and showing they didn’t gum up, I believe using a PC will work too, but probably not as well.
- On a couple rare occasions, I had a slight product build up on the surface due to not cleaning the pad often enough. With a quick sprits of Poorboy’s Spray and Wipe, I was able to effortlessly remove the residue.
- I cleaned the pad after completing every 2 panels. To do this, I took a hard bristled nylon brush and while the polisher was operating (pad facing the sky), I ran the brush gently over the entire surface as the built up product cleaned out of the foam pores.

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- www.menzernausa.com (Polish)
- www.poorboysworld.com (Spray and Wipe)
- www.classicmotoring.com (Viper MF)



Menzerna Full Molecular Jacket (FMJ) Sealant

Packaging : I can not comment on this area as I received this product as a sample from a member on DetailCity (Thanks Charles).

Smell : It smelled like I forgot my laundry in the washing machine. It was that of a mildew-y smell that I did not care for.

Viscosity : FMJ is a very thin creamy red liquid. Looks almost like Thousand Island Dressing. A little goes a very long way ( .25 - .5 ounces per vehicle).

How I applied : As with most sealants, I applied FMJ with a yellow circular foam applicator. I applied it to the foam applicator in a very thin bead straight across covering from one side to the other of the applicator. I applied in a back and forth motion (how the wind flows of the car) to minimize any possible surface marring. The FMJ goes over the surface very easily. I applied extremely thin coats…so thin that you see them go on initially but they disappear by the time you come back with your stroke. If I doubted the sealants presence on the pad, I added a little more. I applied FMJ to the entire vehicle, then removed with a PAC Arctic White MF. FMJ came off with the greatest of ease. There were no problems at all removing this product.

How it looks: FMJ proved to have excellent depth/reflectivity to it’s shine. The shine glowed as well. It was more of a ‘glossy’ look with the first coat than a ‘wet’ look. However, with a 2nd coat applied 2 weeks later, the wetness seemed to increase a touch leaving a more vibrant red. After the second coat, reflectivity increased a touch.

Short Term Thoughts: I had FMJ on my car for 2 weeks, all of those in direct outdoors. It has gone through 2 heavy rainstorms (more than 12 hours each) and a few light rainstorms (spotty rain). The area I am in is very dewy in the morning as well leaving a lot of dew/moisture that bakes in over the day. I have noticed that the finish cleans up very easy. After rainstorms, it seems as though it was just washed the surface got so clean. The surface has remained very slick over the past 2 weeks with clean-ups done with Poorboy’s Spray and Wipe every 4-5 days.

Purchasing
- www.menzernausa.com (FMJ)
- www.poorboysworld.com (Spray and Wipe)
- www.premiumautocare.com (Foam Applicator and MF)


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Old 10-01-04, 06:01   #2 (permalink)
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Sean,

Thats one of the best reviews I have ever read here. Absolutely excellent!

Thanks very much .. on and BTW .. the shine looks awesome!
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Old 10-01-04, 06:06   #3 (permalink)
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Great Shine! Ive been waiting to see some reviews of FMJ as ive been interested in it since it first came out. Looks like this is a nice LSP. Speaking of, if anyone has some FMJ and would like to do a product sample swap, PM me I have alot of products, just let me know what you are looking for! id really like to try FMJ!
 
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great review Sean.

which look do you prefer, the FMJ or the EX+Natty's?

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Excellent review! I'm glad you included the rotary usage comment because I was going to order some of the Menzerna Ceramiclear polishes but I think I will hold off for now. Nice to see they seem to work very well, I remember your wetsanding thread so they obviously did a great job removing the haze left from wetsanding.

Nice write up on the FMJ too. How would you compare its appearance to other products you have used? Also, can you revisit this thread in another 2-4 weeks and let us know how FMJ is holding up....provided you don't strip it all down and start over!

BTW, your Intergra looks absolutely stunning!
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Old 10-01-04, 09:22   #6 (permalink)
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Redondo: Thanks a lot. I tried to be as thorough as possible.

Volvo: Thanks and glad I could help.

hirosh: Thank you. Hard to tell. EX/Natty's was definately more drippy, but look at the depth/reflection I get here ! I will see once I top with Trade Secret

Scott: Yeh, they say use a rotary. I'm just glad I don't have to worry about working down the abrasive chain to remove light buffer marring. I put my soft *** repaintjob in the sun and NO traces of hazing. The powergloss/cutting pad was used to remove the sanding, then PO-85RD to finish it up

I will definately come back. I won't strip down until Thanksgiving so it should give it a decent durability time

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Sean, nice review.

Do keep us updated on your FMJ findings.
 
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sean looks great! are you from NY or CT? I would love to meet up with ya sometime, maybe you could show me a few pointers, and how you get those shiny stars to appear on the finish! i notice they are in a lot of your pics. nice work!
 
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great review! i need to purchase some and try these products out.

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I havent read the review yet. The first thing I did, is look at ur integra pics. I couldnt wait to give my compliments. Holy smoke ! awesome man ! I have never seen red color glowing like this before. simply <3 it !!! Now I will read the post
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Menzerna PO106 and PO85RD

To clear up some things on these two polishes and the other known Menzerna polishes:

PO85RD and PO106 are case quantity only and is a bit pricey. Normally they only sell to dealers/distributors and since it's not in their current business model to sell direct to a consumer, they will refer sales of the products to online dealers or other sources.

FP and FPII (Micro Polish) work very well with the right tools and technique. IP is one of my favorite swirl removers and Power Gloss is best for compounding finishes as it does not haze a finish as some other compounds/pads. PG is best used for really bad finishes, badly oxidized or marred. It removes 1000 grit sanding size marks. IP will remove 2000 grit sanding marks and FPII (Micro Polish-PO85MC) will remove 2500 grit sanding marks. FP or PO87MF does not remove any listed sanding marks. It's best as a last finishing polish to burnish a finish to a very high gloss.

PO85RD removes 3000 grit sanding marks and PO106 removes 2500 grit sanding marks. These two are made for fresh OEM-Coatings.

FP and IP is designed for Fresh Repair Coatings and Aged/Weather-Worn/Oxidized Coatings. FPII or (Micro Polish- PO85MC) is used for Fresh-OEM Coatings and Fresh Repair Coatings.

Cut levels on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being low and 5 being high.

Power Gloss= Cut 5.0 and Gloss 1.5
Intensive Polish=Cut 3.5 and Gloss 3.0
Final Polish= Cut 1.5 and Gloss 4.0
Final Polish II= Cut 2.0 and Gloss 4.0

PO85RD= Cut 1.5 and Gloss 5.0
PO106= Cut 2.5 and Gloss 5.0

I hope this may answer some questions and application.

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