DACP & Burgundy Cutting Pad

pwr4all3 · 05-20-04, 03:01

Should a Meguiars Burgundy cutting pad not be used on a DA to apply DACP? Someone had mentioned this pad was only to be used on an orbital polisher. The bigger question here is it a matter of the wrong pad being used with DACP or the wrong machine, product and pad?

Thanks,
Randy

Superior Shine · 05-20-04, 07:32

Just about any combo can be used to achieve your desired results. Having said that, the maroon pad generally isn't used with DACP and an orbital.

The maroon pad is made to cut and should be used with a more agressive product than DACP.

Aurora40 · 05-20-04, 08:18

Mike did a nice demo of the burgundy pad on a PC at the Autopia Detail Day. It definitely dulled the finish on the area he applied it. However, it did do more work than the yellow pad. Then Mike tossed the red pad on the rotary, and it instantly brought the gloss back and removed the scratches that were being addressed.

Seeing it was enough to make me think I'd never use the red pad on a PC unless absolutely necessary, and only on spot areas. Just like there is only so aggressive you can go by hand, there is also only so aggressive you can go bey PC before you really need to step up to another tool.

majik1 · 05-20-04, 08:34

dude u got like a photographic memory...

Bill D · 05-20-04, 11:35

Ive used the burgundy with DACP and 1Z Ultra, the car in questions needs a rotary to remove the defects. I did follow with the yellow pad as well as some LC polishing pads

Mike Phillips · 05-20-04, 12:04

Quote:

Originally posted by Aurora40
Mike did a nice demo of the burgundy pad on a PC at the Autopia Detail Day. It definitely dulled the finish on the area he applied it. However, it did do more work than the yellow pad. Then Mike tossed the red pad on the rotary, and it instantly brought the gloss back and removed the scratches that were being addressed.

Seeing it was enough to make me think I'd never use the red pad on a PC unless absolutely necessary, and only on spot areas. Just like there is only so aggressive you can go by hand, there is also only so aggressive you can go bey PC before you really need to step up to another tool.

Thank you Aurora40 for sharing what you saw in the demonstration. I know I have tried to explain a number of times that the PC has its limitations as far as removing defects.

Point being, on most paint types, getting more aggressive with the PC, either with pad, chemical or pressure, while it may remove the defect, it will often dull the surface down, not bring the gloss up.

And as you pointed out, hitting the same spot with the same chemicals and pad only substituting the rotary buffer instead of the PC , quickly and easily restored a crystal clear, high gloss surface.

I will in the future be working on some new ideas for what it's worth.

Mike

Mike Phillips · 05-20-04, 12:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill D
Ive used the burgundy with DACP and 1Z Ultra, the car in questions needs a rotary to remove the defects. I did follow with the yellow pad as well as some LC polishing pads

I tend to hold the PC results to the standard set by the rotary.

By this I mean, the Meguair's philosophy is to always be working forward in the paint polishing process, not backwards.

If the PC dulls the finish but removes the defect, that's not exactly moving forward in the process. And while "yes", following it with a milder polish and a different foam pad may restore the gloss and clearness, because the rotary will not have dulled the finish to start with, then it is the better choice because it moves the process forward.

Does that make sense?

Of course I understand a lot of people do not own a rotary or the skills to use it so they are trying to accomplish the same thing with the PC, I just cannot recommend that procedure because I would be recommending dulling the finish.

Mike

Malachi · 05-20-04, 01:03

Wow, have not heard about the burgundy pad/dacp combo with dulling the surface.

Why does it dull it? You can apply dacp by hand without dulling right...then you follow with #82.

Is it a product issue or is it a pad issue or is it just that combo issue?

TIA

pwr4all3 · 05-20-04, 05:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Superior Shine
Just about any combo can be used to achieve your desired results. Having said that, the maroon pad generally isn't used with DACP and an orbital.

The maroon pad is made to cut and should be used with a more agressive product than DACP.

Does that mean the yellow polishing pad is suited for DACP on a DA then?

- Randy

stevet · 05-20-04, 06:34

There are lots of Autopians using cutting pads and getting good results. Some use the burgundy pad from Megs and some use the yellow from Lake Country. So now it's not a good idea to use them without a rotary?

Bill D · 05-20-04, 07:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
I tend to hold the PC results to the standard set by the rotary.

By this I mean, the Meguair's philosophy is to always be working forward in the paint polishing process, not backwards.

If the PC dulls the finish but removes the defect, that's not exactly moving forward in the process. And while "yes", following it with a milder polish and a different foam pad may restore the gloss and clearness, because the rotary will not have dulled the finish to start with, then it is the better choice because it moves the process forward.

Does that make sense?

Of course I understand a lot of people do not own a rotary or the skills to use it so they are trying to accomplish the same thing with the PC, I just cannot recommend that procedure because I would be recommending dulling the finish.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Yes I know exactly what you mean but I knew from experience with my finish I would have to start with the burgundy pad and the 1z ultra to get any improvement at all. I didn't see dulling probably due to the white paint but I did need to follow with lighter polishes to get the shine optimized.

Now I have a clear and shiny finsih but still with defects.It's been the case for years

Once I practice enough with the rotary, I'm betting the most mild combination of pad and polish will eliminate or at least greatly reduce the defects

Aurora40 · 05-21-04, 07:54

Just a few more notes, the car was black, which made it much easier to see the dulling. And the paint still looked nice, it was in comparison to the paint next to it (which had been worked with the PC, DACP, and a polishing pad) that you could really see the dulling. It wasn't like the paint looked all chalky and crappy or anything. But you could see the dullness pretty clearly.

Also, the PC with the cutting pad did reduce the scratching much more than the polishing pad did.

But the rotary wiped them right out, and the gloss was instantly restored. It was kind of amazing how glossy it was considering Mike was still working the paint and the excess product hadn't even been buffed off yet!