Mike Phillips...NXT ? for you

breakneckvtec · 03-10-04, 12:29

It has been stated, and I am curious about, whether NXT has some fine abrasives in it? I would consider this a unique, and frankly a nice addition.

I also would like to apply it via my PC since I was pleased with how it came out by hand. Should I use a finishing pad, or a polishing pad? Thanks for any help

pugoman · 03-10-04, 12:42

I would of thought a finishing pad would be best for applying NXT, but Mike Phillips suggested the other day that he prefers to use a polishing pad.

jgv · 03-10-04, 01:09

^^^ that.

Mike says the finishing pad tends to gum up w/ product. I used it with a Megs polishing pad (yellow) with great success.

pwalk · 03-10-04, 01:12

So I was going to put NXT on top of 3 coats of SG. If NXT has some cleaning ability, is it going to take off the SG (especially with a PC)??

blackbird19 · 03-13-04, 03:10

I to need to try the 8006 w/nxt it does clog up the fin. pad

Mike Phillips · 03-18-04, 06:03

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Originally posted by breakneckvtec
It has been stated, and I am curious about, whether NXT has some fine abrasives in it? I would consider this a unique, and frankly a nice addition.

The term I was given was highly specialized abrasives. (I checked twice). They must be very small and/or unique because the product does not scratch paint and although some people lump it together with all cleaner waxes, it really is limited to the spectrum of surface defects it will remove. For example, it is not effective at all for removing oxidation. A much better choice would be a true cleaner/wax, or a dedicated paint cleaner.

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I also would like to apply it via my PC since I was pleased with how it came out by hand. Should I use a finishing pad, or a polishing pad? Thanks for any help

This is how I prefer to apply it, with the PC. Often times in discussion on technique and procedures, I mention in passing that one of the factors that should be considered when polishing paint is your application material.

The W-8006 foam polishing pad has much more bite than the W-9006 finishing pad which is very soft and almost gushy feeling when used with both the rotary and the PC.

So, if you want more cleaning effect from any product, the W-8006 pad will clean better than the W-9006 finishing pad.

To your question...

If your finish is in excellent condition, and you want as much polishing and protecting action from the process, I would use the W-9006 foam finishing pad. Especially if this was your second coat after allowing the first coat to dry or set-up for over 12 hours.

If you want more cleaning, and smoothing out of the finish then I would choose the W-8006 foam polishing pad, especially for the fist pass if your going to go over the car twice with the Tech Wax.

I'm sure some will say that these differences are subtle, which I agree they are, but for Autopians, the details are in the details.

The art of polishing paint is more of a passion than a procedure.

For what it's worth, and your mileage may vary...

Mike

killrwheels · 03-18-04, 06:08

Mike I would like your comments on the "light" cleaners and how that relates to additional layers. The bottle suggests layering is optional , but any cleaners would reduce or remove the previous level.

Also ..

Does the Spray Wax contain the same "light specialized" cleaners ??

Mike Phillips · 03-18-04, 06:35

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Originally posted by killrwheels
Mike I would like your comments on the "light" cleaners and how that relates to additional layers. The bottle suggests layering is optional , but any cleaners would reduce or remove the previous level.

Also ..

Does the Spray Wax contain the same "light specialized" cleaners ??

Hi killrwheels,

Are you the same Killrwheels that posts to CorvetteForum?

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=778601

And, what is your definition of "Layering", and can you list some products that you believe layer according to your definition of the word?

I just want to make sure were talking the same language.

Mike

Mike Phillips · 03-18-04, 06:37

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Originally posted by killrwheels
Mike I would like your comments on the "light" cleaners and how that relates to additional layers. The bottle suggests layering is optional , but any cleaners would reduce or remove the previous level.

Also ..

Does the Spray Wax contain the same "light specialized" cleaners ??

Oh yeah...

How's your tool box looking?

Mike

killrwheels · 03-19-04, 04:54

yes, I am one in the same. And as you can tell, I am not very fond of NXT. I had hoped it would be all Mequires claimed, but found the results on Silver to be disappointing at best. Luckily time rewarded me with Wolfgang Concours and it "seems" to be a "great" product.

As to layering, I have read in your past comments as well as several others that these specialized cleaners (ie abrasives) can remove other products such as carnuba waxes and Zaino. If that is true, than adding another layer of NXT is simply removing some or all of the previous layer. Does the Spray wax also hold the same "specialized abrasives " ???

As for the tool box, I was looking for NXT's redeeming qualities. Unfortunately I did not prep (polish / glaze) the tool box first and results were unrewarding at best. I really wondered if Mequires product was "better" on darker finishes.

I have nothing against you, and feel that NXT is ultimately marketed towards a different crowd. (mass retail) I dont feel it compares to Klasse , Blackfire, and Wolfgang. But I also dont want to spout wrong information if I have misunderstood some of your posts. Thats why I am coming to you.

Ragtop_Rob · 03-19-04, 05:14

I am curious about this too. I was under the impression (possibly mistakingly) that Zaino could be layered. I added two coats back to back of Zaino and THOUGHT I saw am difference - was that not layering? Was it attributed to better full covereage and not layering?

Also Mike had mentioned that it is best to protect the clear coat from UV - I thought that is what I was doing by applying a UV protectant product? (Although - I have a tough time imagining that UV protection really lasts any length of time when applied and removed like a wax or polish)

Be CAREFUL - you guys might just take the mystery and black magic out of detailing!

killrwheels · 03-19-04, 09:00

Zaino is a true sealant with no abrasives as is Klasse Sealant , Blackfire, and Wolfgang. They have no cleaning, stripping, or other abilities. Kinda like a last level product. NXT , however, seems to have "specialized cleaners" and thus another layer would only remove or strip the previous layer. Thats what I want to know, also does the Spray Wax contain the same cleaners ??

As for UV protection, most sealants include this in their makeup. And some QD's add additional. Z6 from Zaino for example ... You can even find it in some protectants, ala 303 protectant .