#20 provided better protection than Zaino.... - Page 4

suginami · 07-15-03, 05:48

I'll buy that.

I just still can't describe how disappointed in Zaino I am, especially with the seven layers.

I'd been happily using it for about a year, too...

Jngrbrdman · 07-15-03, 05:53

Well, since you are in the buying mood... Have you tried other sealants like Klasse or Platinum? #20 is good stuff, but I've found that there are products that have edges over it. Quite a bit of an edge in some respects. I don't know how they handle the waterspots that come from your sprinklers, but I do know that I had a car brought to me today that I did 2 weeks ago and it had more waterspots on it. I had applied Platinum 2 weeks ago and these new waterspots were able to come right off after a light vinegar bath. I don't know if the protection from the Platinum is what kept them from etching the clear or not. I also don't know how old the waterspots were. I was pleased that I didn't have to break out the polisher to get them off though.

Deanski · 07-15-03, 06:01

Your right! It's not Kevlar, no matter what's on it if the rain is acidic. Sometimes it will clean off with just a QD, but acid rain spots will eat just about anything. Add in the color of the cars finish and it evaporates more quickly. The best defense is an offense, cover the car, wash it as soon as possible etc.

Our area is prone to acid rain, and yes it really is a pain, but it can be overcome.

Some do a better job, and it all depends on how much is on the car, how soon you take action.

Have we learned anything today?

I agree that Zaino is not really suited for business detail work, unless your customer's understand the amount of labor it takes to accomplish the protection. It's just easier to apply one-step or polish/protect quickly as time is money. But again, get a customer who is anal like me, time/money is no object.

So, enough of Zaino/Megs bashing. A little more constructive criticism is now requested please.

Have a nice day/evening!!!

Regards,
Deanski

2wheelsx2 · 07-15-03, 06:01

I'm with Jngr on that one. It seems that some products work better on some paints if they are applied in a certain way on ceratin colours/cars. That's why everyone has their own favourites. Maybe #20 just happens to work better than Z for your instance. And maybe Klasse, or EX, or Collinite, or something else will work better than #20. Who knows?

But I guess that's why we are all here talking about all the things we are trying. If I were you, I would give Klasse a shot. I did, and am extremel happy with the results. However, there is also with staying with #20. As Mike Phillips likes to quote (can't remember the owner of the quote's name), "Find something you like, and use it often."

Jngrbrdman · 07-15-03, 06:04

My criticism is always under construction. Does that count?

bretfraz · 07-15-03, 06:08

Quote:

Originally posted by max_man_94_01
I know how you feel...whenever one posts an observation or a theory outside the accepted norm or against a product, you are painting a target on yourself and be prepared to be flamed...
that so far has been my observation in this forum...

..ooops did I just paint a target on myself.....

Welcome to the club, my friend. Its not just this forum but all over the net. Free thinkers and folks who wonder what's outside the box will always get slammed by those who can't see past their own prejudices.

I think Deanski's comments about #20 are dead on. High in solvents, light abrasives, prolly an amino functional siloxane..... reminds me of Finish First or Liquid Glass. Not bad products (I used Finish First for a number of years and liked it) but not a modern product. I think LG has been around longer than #20. Heck, I remember that stuff from when I was a kid.

But I'm glad suginami has found a product he likes and is happy with. In the end that's all that matters.

Deanski · 07-15-03, 06:25

Ah yes, good 'ol LG!!! Used to use Liquid Ebony prior to LG on my 1969 L88 Vette (sorry I let that car go-very sick car!). I remember the LG with an old vette on it from waaaaay back. At that time, it was state-of-the-art in protection.

BTY: I'm happy too can't you tell..

Regards,
Deanski

4DSC · 07-15-03, 06:32

Here's my $0.02 guess:

Black cars I have found really do get scorchingly hot in the sun, but that by itself did not cause Zaino to fail. Acid rain water, even mildly acidic, cause damage when they are allowed to sit on the car and dry out. This concentrates the acid content in the water and soon you have a shallow puddle of much stronger acid solution sitting on the paint. Both the black and champagne coloured cars would be subjected to this, but the difference would be the heat which is something that can accelerate chemical reactions greatly. This may be what allowed the acid rain to eat the Zaino but leave the #20 intact.

That's my WAG based on simple chemistry principles, and I could this happening, but I could be totally wrong too!

JasonC8301 · 07-15-03, 06:36

If someone wasn't turned onto Platinum, he wouldn't be praising it. I doubt he even heard of Platinum before meeting someone else on the forum, the quote "pass the Turtle wax please" comes to mind. Every product has bashers to come along with it. Hmm, $80, think how much you spend on detailing supplies. $80 is not a lot. Add up all the products I don't use anymore or gave away, thats over $200 already. Its find something YOU like.

I love my Zaino. I love my Klasse. I shudder at the thought of BF I or Turtle wax Rubbing Compound Heavy Duty.

Jngrbrdman will be trying Zaino soon. He will be trying most of the Z line (everything but Z3, Z9, Z10, Z18, and ZFX.) He will soon discover they are top notch products.

I think comparing a silver car with one product to a black car with another product is not controlled. If you had half the car with Z and the other half with #20 then you can do a comparison.

Crap! 40% of rain tomorrow. Hope I can still fit in my Klasse/Zaino test.....

Jngrbrdman · 07-15-03, 06:54

Quote:

Originally posted by JasonC8301

Jngrbrdman will be trying Zaino soon. He will be trying most of the Z line (everything but Z3, Z9, Z10, Z18, and ZFX.) He will soon discover they are top notch products.

As long as you are predicting the future right now and everything.... I'm thinking of playing the lottery this weekend. Any tips?

I am looking forward to trying it. Just let me know when you are ready.

stanger99 · 07-15-03, 10:13

How are you guys determining that #20 is currently loaded with solvents. Let me know if my thinking is really screwed up here. SG is really thin and high in solvents(may be way off base here already). Because of its high solvent content i can completely clean my foam applicator by running it under water and squeezing. It comes out just like new with a faint smell of SG. After i use #20(pretty thick IMO) i can't clean the applicator for the life of me. This led me to believe that #20 was extremely low in solvents. Plus i've never really noticed any chemical cleanin action with #20. If #20 is so loaded with solvents, where has my thinking gone awry.
Deanski, where did you have these products tested and do you still have access to test products.

Deanski · 07-16-03, 04:00

I have to find the report that was done many years ago B4 I moved.

The new report is also somewhere in this house... I'll find it.

The other thing people can do, get a MSDS from the Mfgs when dealing with products.

Look at bretfraz's comment. Not far off on what's in #20.

You could also contact Megs and ASK for the listing of materials used to produce it, butcalling them sometime gets mixed results.

Regards,
Deanski