#20 provided better protection than Zaino....

[suginami]

In my particular case, #20 provided better protection than Zaino, even though Zaino had 7 coats to just one coat of #20.

I encourage everyone to stick with the product(s) that give them the best results and that they enjoy using.

After thinking about it last night and this morning, I find it hard to believe that heat caused by the black paint is the primary factor that Zaino failed. How many degrees hotter could the black paint have been compared to the smoke silver paint? Could this temperature difference (10 degrees? 20 degrees? 30 degrees?) account for the difference? I just don't see it....

[Deanski]

Originally posted by Smoker
*sigh*

Yet again when somebody 'reserves the right to not use Zaino' some Zaino fanatic pops up and slams the product the person prefers.

Look - fact is he found what he found.

He thinks Zaino sucks and wants to use #20.

Good stuff.
Dont knock him for it.

I use UPP.

It'll be a long, LONG time before I change as I have yet to find anything is as :

1)Cheap
2)Easy to use
3)Compatible with virtually every other product.

My view on Zaino are well known - it doesnt actually do anything to improve the quality of your paint condition - its a PITA to use - (mixing up little tubes n stuff) and it doesnt like being near ANY other products.

Finally, after all that expense, fooling around and general fussing it apparently gives no better protection than any other sealant.

All in all for me a bit of a waste of time.

I'm not knocking Megs#20, just have facts on what it is and what is in it. As for Zaino, yes I use it, but I do not want others to use it if they feel they have something better. That's great.

I'm just stating that years ago I did research on #20 and found it to be loaded with solvents that just smear... No big deal, so I switched to #26 back in those days.

Todays finishes take a different approach, and some things from the past still work, and some do not. It's always the trial and error process, or trying something that another has used with good results. That's how this forum got it's legs.

If #20 works for you, great. I just know that half the Megs staff if you called into the help line will give you different results in the product. A known problem Megs still has to work out with there call center. Not knocking them, just get different responces... kinda like here!

As for other products, yes there are some more out there, just read the reviews. Most do not contain UV inhibitors, which is expensive to begin with. Purchased straight UV inhibitors for a boat one time, and 55 gal drums were not cheap!!! Very large boat....

Bottom line on ANY sealant IS the prep you do before hand. The better you do, the better the product will respond. Simple enough? If you rush your prep, you end up with a possible mess or poor productivity of the item you used.

So those that want to use #20.. go right ahead, no one will stop you. They may have opinions or actual proof, results or have been in the biz for many years. It's up to you to come to a conclusion on issues such as this. Relax, go have fun and shine up the car. That's what I'm going to do....

Regards,
Deanski

[2wheelsx2]

Originally posted by suginami
After thinking about it last night and this morning, I find it hard to believe that heat caused by the black paint is the primary factor that Zaino failed. How many degrees hotter could the black paint have been compared to the smoke silver paint? Could this temperature difference (10 degrees? 20 degrees? 30 degrees?) account for the difference? I just don't see it....

I guess it depends on where you live. Very easy to check though. Just park both your cars outside at noon on a sunny day. After 1 hour, put on hand on the black car, and then put your hand on the silver car. I think you would be surprised at the temperature difference. I know I was unable to put my hand on the black paint of a Pathfinder I was working on this weekend, after it had sat in the sun for 20 minutes, as I was drying it, and prior to pulling into the garage. It was very uncomfortable to touch. I know that I have never had that problem with my own car, which is grey/green.

Folks here have noted tempertures over 200 degrees F on their black cars. I think you'll agree that nothing will stand up too well to that kind of heat. Do a search and you'll see those threads.

By all means, if you don't see much of a difference, report back also. Always interesting to see more concrete data instead of conjecture.

[Intermezzo]

Suginami, thanks for sharing that with us. I get water-spotting on my Z'd black bimmer also, but not on my silver Civic (Zaino'd as well). Color probably does play a factor, but it could also be that I'm not looking carefully enough.

Deanski, don't worry too much about Smoker's post.... I've learned to ignore his Anti-Z rhetoric. His unrelenting Zaino-bash sessions have gotten real old and the stuff tends to come in one ear....and out the other... I miss the days of carguy where although he would bash Zaino, he was actually logical and mature about it.

[TortoiseAWD]

Originally posted by Intermezzo
I miss the days of carguy where although he would bash Zaino, he was actually logical and mature about it.

<chuckle>

And carguy was also basing his criticism on his own experience with Zaino. Last I knew, Smoker hadn't tried Zaino . . . has that changed?

Tort

[2hotford]

I have to agree, Meguiar's #20 Polymer Sealant is my favourite product!!! Period!!!

I have never had durability problems with it and believe me, I have lived in some pretty harsh places!! I am not sure why some people have trouble with it, or say that it is stops working after a few weeks; how do you know it has stopped? Water beading has NOTHING to do with protection. If the initail beading is gone but the shine and gloss remains for a few months then I would say that it is indeed still working. The chemists at Meguiar's test the products for durability with instruments and procdures that no consumer would have access to. I trust their judgement.

I am also confused when someone says that #20 is not for modern cars. That is an incorrect statement. Meguair's takes great pains to update and continually improve on their products to meet the demands of todays cars and trucks.

Just IMHO!!!

[stanger99]

Look guys, Smoker's post was not intended to comment on Zaino's performance - at least not in the beginning. He was referring to stubborn people who cannot leave someone to be happy with a product when they make a negative comment about some aspect of zaino. Everyone looks for factors that may have impacted his results, but rarely accept any findings that are generally zaino negative. That has nothing to do with whether or not he has tried a product. No violations of logic. Feel free to disagree as i'm sure you will.

Note: Any thread which includes "better than zaino" will always turn negative. Must be a coincidence.

[2wheelsx2]

Originally posted by 2hotford
I have never had durability problems with it and believe me, I have lived in some pretty harsh places!! I am not sure why some people have trouble with it, or say that it is stops working after a few weeks; how do you know it has stopped? Water beading has NOTHING to do with protection.

I agree with you there. Beading has nothing to do with anything. However, it's pretty easy to tell whether you are washing bare paint, or #20. When you have fresh #20, or any wax or sealant for that matter, does it not make bugs and grime wash off really easy? After 8 weeks with #20, I have to really scrub to get a bug splat out. With Klasse, my wash mitts just glides over the paint, even after 3 months. For sure the product is deteriorated, but there is still some protection left.

I wonder if it has to do with rain composition, Tim. Have you always lived in the interior? The salt usage here is insane in the winter time, and our rain is getting pretty acidic here (not really acid rain, but no longer neutral pH like when I was a kid). I wonder if getting 300 days of rain a year has anything to do with it.

[stanger99]

Originally posted by 2wheelsx2
I wonder if getting 300 days of rain a year has anything to do with it.

Ouch. I hope you have a garage to detail in.

[Smoker]

Originally posted by stanger99
Look guys, Smoker's post was not intended to comment on Zaino's performance - at least not in the beginning. He was referring to stubborn people who cannot leave someone to be happy with a product when they make a negative comment about some aspect of zaino. Everyone looks for factors that may have impacted his results, but rarely accept any findings that are generally zaino negative. That has nothing to do with whether or not he has tried a product. No violations of logic. Feel free to disagree as i'm sure you will.

Note: Any thread which includes "better than zaino" will always turn negative. Must be a coincidence.

At least someone read my post .....

I didnt start the product bashing!!!!

I just turned it around a little.

Since when did me USING Zaino (as in laying out $80-odd just so I can prove what everyone else has said.) mean I cant comment on how much of a mess around it is to use it ?

I didnt comment on the 'end result' .. just the amount of fooling around to get it.

[max_man_94_01]

Originally posted by Smoker
At least someone read my post .....

I didnt start the product bashing!!!!

I just turned it around a little.

Since when did me USING Zaino (as in laying out $80-odd just so I can prove what everyone else has said.) mean I cant comment on how much of a mess around it is to use it ?

I didnt comment on the 'end result' .. just the amount of fooling around to get it.

I know how you feel...whenever one posts an observation or a theory outside the accepted norm or against a product, you are painting a target on yourself and be prepared to be flamed...
that so far has been my observation in this forum...


..ooops did I just paint a target on myself.....

[2wheelsx2]

Originally posted by stanger99
Ouch. I hope you have a garage to detail in.

Luckily, I do. But I exaggerated a bit. Probably only like 200 days a year.