Wax removal and ONR

[cptzippy]

Just wanted the car enough to not want to walk away from it. The car has been on another dealers lot so probably the gunk was already on it anyway.

[Rob Tomlin]

Having bought enough new cars, I know exactly what you mean. I have been in a similar situation, where I ask them specifically not to put anything on the car in terms of "prep" but they say that they have a "policy" or some other crap about having to do it. If it is a vehicle I really want, and you have already gone through a ton of time and energy to make the deal, you aren't going to walk away from it just because they did some prep work....unless of course the paint shows some problems.

[cptzippy]

Well, we'll find out tomorrow afternoon (smiles and crosses fingers). I asked what kind of products they use and the answer was 'commercial' and 'maybe dow'. Told me I needed to get meguiar's because that's what his friend that takes care of multi-hundred thousand dollar restorations. Not meaning to rag on the guy because he's been quite nice an very helpful.

[Scottwax]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

Having bought enough new cars, I know exactly what you mean. I have been in a similar situation, where I ask them specifically not to put anything on the car in terms of "prep" but they say that they have a "policy" or some other crap about having to do it. If it is a vehicle I really want, and you have already gone through a ton of time and energy to make the deal, you aren't going to walk away from it just because they did some prep work....unless of course the paint shows some problems.

Personally, I'd still walk. If I am paying good money for a car, it better be exactly the way I specify or no deal. I'm the customer. They want my money, they will keep their grubby hands and crappy products off the car.

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Scottwax

Personally, I'd still walk. If I am paying good money for a car, it better be exactly the way I specify or no deal. I'm the customer. They want my money, they will keep their grubby hands and crappy products off the car.

I certainly agree in principle, but I can tell you that reality and practicality of the matter can be a different story.

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

I certainly agree in principle, but I can tell you that reality and practicality of the matter can be a different story.

Just depends on, well....all the stuff it depends on. I for one have walked away from a number of cars, including new ones, right at the last moment over "minor" issues (their opinion, not mine). Seriously, I dictate the terms or I deal with somebody else.

Originally Posted by cptzippy

Well, we'll find out tomorrow afternoon (smiles and crosses fingers)...

Well, maybe every Hendrick dealership uses different stuff and you'll get lucky.

The stuff that was on my Yukon would *NOT* come off with anything a normal person would try, but then it *was* really durable if you need to find an upside. I was pretty unhappy about it, but they'd had the vehicle for quite a while before I ever looked at it so I couldn't really blame them.

Thought: find out *specifically* what they used. IF it gets to be an issue a) you could just keep using the stuff, and b) at least we'd know what it is. Heh heh, I'd wander around (past the "no customers allowed" signs), find their prep guys, and see for myself.

Not surprised your guy was otherwise OK to deal with, I still think it's a good dealership chain, they just use the wrong stuff. (That "gotta do it" comment though...wouldn't have flown with me but hey, I'm *me* )

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Accumulator

Just depends on, well....all the stuff it depends on. I for one have walked away from a number of cars, including new ones, right at the last moment over "minor" issues (their opinion, not mine). Seriously, I dictate the terms or I deal with somebody else.

Exactly right.

Like I said, its one thing to walk away for the simple fact that they put something on the paint which otherwise looks fine, and quite another to walk away when the paint shows issues of one kind or another.

[Accumulator]

Rob Tomlin- And I'm probably coming at this for a certain perspective as I was buying a (quite) used vehicle where the concealing was a pretty serious concern.

[vecdran]

Originally Posted by Scottwax

If you are going to polish the car, no point in removing whatever is on the car.

I must comment that, at least from personal experience, there is one exception to this. If you've recently waxed the car you are polishing (I'm talking days), it will be worth trying to strip the wax off. I polished my car a week after putting down a nice fat layer of SV Samurai, and I had little polish and wax balls flying everywhere, and my polish was breaking down in a really funky fashion (was turning to a water like consistency instead of clearing up).

[Accumulator]

If it's the same stuff they used on my Yukon, you *will* have to get it off, or at least compromise it, before you can effectively polish. Diamond cut on twisted wool wouldn't work right on that stuff. It was apparently the kind of silicon-base stuff like Menzerna lectures about, it's *not* just some cheapie wax/sealant that you can polish through.

But again, I'm hoping it's not that stuff.

[cptzippy]

Me too. I'm probably going to call back and try again at least to get the name of the stuff.

[cptzippy]

Now I'm slightly worried. They said the brand was 'Technicians Choice' Anybody ever heard of it?