Wax removal and ONR - Page 2

Scottwax · 11-01-09, 07:39

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Originally Posted by The Enforcer

no, why would i post something only to be kidding. sorry....it was just something that was said to me by a very VERY respected and knowledgable person on here via phone this week. i was having trouble buffing a car......and he mentioned that it is probably from the fact that i clayed the car with ONR....and ONR leaves a barrier on the car, similar to that of a sealer....the pad and polish just wasnt cutting the paint any.

no need to post a response in a smartass way....i dont care of you have over 20,000 posts like yourself, or barely 100 like me. we are all here to learn, which i have a lot to do. you couldve said that alot differently, without that smart tone, and got the same message across to me. you bein smart like that, causes other people such as legacy99 to be a smartass as well.

all im saying is......when you polish or correct a car, ive always heard it was best to remove ALL wax and sealers from the paint, since most of them contain fillers that will not allow you to see the true condition of the paint you are working on.

Use some common sense please. Look at is this way. Paint is harder than any wax or sealant out there and if polishing removes defects from paint (by removing a whisper thin layer of paint), waxes and sealants don't stand a chance. The only issue you may have is a heavy paste wax or a sealant may momentarily clog your pads if it was very recently applied (like Accumulator mentioned, Klasse SG).

Whoever told you that ONR makes buffing a car difficult apparently has never used it (or sells a product ONR competes against). I wash 99.5% of the cars I detail with ONR and have NEVER had an issue trying to buff it after whether I used a rotary or a RO polsher.

There aren't any waxes or sealants that have enough fillers to hide much, if anything. Go ahead and strip the paint down if you wish, but odds are washing and claying will give you a pretty good indication of your starting point. Just trying to save people time. Everyone in the beginning wants to do eleventy billion step details and end up getting frustrated when a detail takes up a whole weekend on a car that really didn't need more than a half day worth of work. Keep it simple. Wash, clay, polish, protect.

dervdave · 11-02-09, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Scottwax

Keep it simple. Wash, clay, polish, protect.

Plain speaking and as usual Scott is exactly right but some just love to complicate even the simplest of tasks

The Enforcer · 11-02-09, 01:59

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Originally Posted by dervdave

Plain speaking and as usual Scott is exactly right but some just love to complicate even the simplest of tasks

and as usual, some people love to nut swing and join the bandwagon of being a smartass. whatever happened to folks being a little more polite on here instead of tryin to make an amatuer, someone who is here to learn, feel like an idiot.

Accumulator · 11-02-09, 10:10

The Enforcer- No need to feel like an idiot, IMO your Qs were reasonable, especially given all the, uhm...."expert opinions" (scare-quotes intentional) floating around the internet. Some of those supposed experts make stuff sound really complicated/mysterious just to feed their self-importance.

Those of us who know scottwax IRL can tell ya that he's really not a smart@$$ at all, but rather a nice guy who just might've come across wrong on this thread..fine line between bluntness and inconsideration I suppose. Anyhow...back to the subject at hand:

FWIW, whatever [stuff] Hendrick Lexus applied to my Yukon sure *did* hide a lot and it was a *bear* to get off. So some LSPs really can cause issues, but fortunately those are few and far between.

IF you end up having a problem, you'll realize it quickly enough (which is why it's good to have stuff like PrepWash/IPA/whatever on hand). But this really is a case where you can confidently, and realistically, hope for the best.

I'm not really on the ONR bandwagon, but IME it does *NOT* leave enough of anything behind to cause issues, even if you're only using something *super* gentle. Even an AIO will work fine after ONR. I just used it in this way (for a mid-detail clean up) and it absolutely did *not* cause any issues at all.

cptzippy · 11-02-09, 01:10

Accumulator, the Lexus dealer I'm getting my car from is a Hendrick dealer. Maybe I should ask them what they are using on it. I found out today they get the car tomorrow night and will spend most of the day Wednesday 'working on it'.

ETA: Just sent'em an email

Scottwax · 11-02-09, 02:22

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Originally Posted by cptzippy

Accumulator, the Lexus dealer I'm getting my car from is a Hendrick dealer. Maybe I should ask them what they are using on it. I found out today they get the car tomorrow night and will spend most of the day Wednesday 'working on it'.

ETA: Just sent'em an email

Don't ask them what they are using on it, tell them to DO NOTHING TO IT!!!!!

Never, ever let a dealer do anything beyond removing the plastic from the car. Call them IMMEDIATELY and tell them you want ZERO dealer prep.

Rob Tomlin · 11-02-09, 02:41

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Originally Posted by Scottwax

Don't ask them what they are using on it, tell them to DO NOTHING TO IT!!!!!

Never, ever let a dealer do anything beyond removing the plastic from the car. Call them IMMEDIATELY and tell them you want ZERO dealer prep.

Agree 100%!

dichael · 11-02-09, 04:00

there's times i really love this forum!

gav'spurplez · 11-03-09, 05:58

seems like we have some thin skin in here.......

good Q & A 's in here..... always nice to get different perspectives

Accumulator · 11-03-09, 07:26

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Originally Posted by cptzippy

Accumulator, the Lexus dealer I'm getting my car from is a Hendrick dealer. Maybe I should ask them what they are using on it. I found out today they get the car tomorrow night and will spend most of the day Wednesday 'working on it'.

ETA: Just sent'em an email

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Originally Posted by Scottwax

Don't ask them what they are using on it, tell them to DO NOTHING TO IT!!!!!

Yeah, stop 'em before they do it or else reconsider taking the vehicle (no, I'm not kidding). I'm serious, the stuff they use (which *is* great for what it is, which is "auction-prep [stuff] to hide flaws ) will be nearly impossible to get off and you *won't* like it. And there's simply no way to evaluate paint that has that [stuff] on it. No, IPA won't budge it and even strong solvents are only moderately effective.

Just ask ebpcivicsi if you don't believe me...that [stuff] is simply impossible to get off/out of the paint. It's one of those "silicone horror stories" you read about but seldom encounter in real life.

The tire slime they use is pretty awful too.

Otherwise nice dealership chain though.

cptzippy · 11-03-09, 02:47

Well, I asked them to not do it and they said they couldn't let it leave without doing it. Perhaps should have been more forceful but I've got bigger battles to fight. So, my plan now is to see how bad it is and start fresh if a little bit. I don't expect they stuff they put on to last very long.

So preliminary plan is: Wash with P21S for wax removal (maybe IPA wipedown), clay (blue megs), (correction is necessary), OS, OCW.

Anything else to suggest?

gav'spurplez · 11-03-09, 04:16

sounds like you have a good plan........i dont understand what they cant allow the car to leave without.....

i would have told them, if you " prep the car you are prepping it for someone else to buy !