Issues with a new combo

Jakerooni · 10-23-09, 07:00

Anyone use 105 with a PFW pad? I got my very first PFW pad a couple days ago and figured I'd give it a good test. But my 105 keeps flashing up on me when I use it. Nothing I can't get off but still I've never had the issue with 105 and wool or 105 and plain foam. Am I supposed to prime the PFW pad first with something? I thought I read other using this combo before. Using it on the makita around 1500 rpm's give or take.

SuperBee364 · 10-23-09, 07:21

The newer version of 105 does seem to work better with PFW. I prime PFW's with 105 in a similar way to how you'd prime a foam pad; work it evenly through the entire pad's surface. Once that's done, put four or five drops on the pad itself, and get buffing. Once the pad is very thoroughly primed, you'll get good working times with 105. Until it's primed... not so good. Like 15-20 seconds. Not much time, but at 1.5k RPM, still long enough to get some serious correction done. It also helps to spur the pad thoroughly after each application. PFW is still my favorite way to work with 105, even over KBM/DA.

Jakerooni · 10-23-09, 07:38

I'll try that tomorrow. Hopefully it works better.

Accumulator · 10-24-09, 10:32

Jakerooni- You *are* using the newer version of M105, right?

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

.. PFW is still my favorite way to work with 105, even over KBM/DA.

You mean that PFW via *rotary* is still your fave M105 method, right?

Darkstar752 · 10-24-09, 10:39

Detailersdomain.com has a new Yellow cutting pad, it's much softer than orange and finishes much better, kinda like a foam version of PFW. Cuts almost as hard as it, it replaced PFW for me.

I personally don't like PFW because it just seems to lose it's cut like halfway through a job, then after you clean it, it never seems to get back to the original cut it had and never finishes down as well. I remember one guy saying that he uses them once then tosses them.

Jakerooni · 10-24-09, 11:57

Yea this is all with the new version of 105 and on my rotary. After a few good solid testings with the D/A's I'm really shying away from them for any sort of serious work. Even though I can correct with the D/A via whatever method I can still get a better result much faster with the rotary. To me the D/A correcting is proving to be more of a hassle than it's actually worth anymore.

Got_Leather · 10-24-09, 12:49

Jake, another thing I have done before is also apply a little drop of Optimum Compound or Optimum Polish to the 105 on the pad. This will give you some more work time and greatly reduce the dust. It's a win, win really. If you don't have any Optimum I'd be glad to send some your way.

salty · 10-24-09, 12:53

Jake have you tried prepping a clean PFW with your pad washer first?

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I personally don't like PFW because it just seems to lose it's cut like halfway through a job, then after you clean it, it never seems to get back to the original cut it had and never finishes down as well.

I've noticed that too. Great cut and finish when you start but that drops off fast.
I find a spritz of water, spur pad and then a finger re fluff, helps.

Accumulator · 10-24-09, 03:09

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Originally Posted by Jakerooni

Yea this is all with the new version of 105 and on my rotary.. To me the D/A correcting is proving to be more of a hassle than it's actually worth anymore.

While I'm leaning the other way these days, I do see how M105 via rotary oughta be one *very* time-efficient approach if you can work with the flashing (which I'd expect good priming to help with).

WhyteWizard · 10-24-09, 05:42

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Originally Posted by Jakerooni

Yea this is all with the new version of 105 and on my rotary. After a few good solid testings with the D/A's I'm really shying away from them for any sort of serious work. Even though I can correct with the D/A via whatever method I can still get a better result much faster with the rotary. To me the D/A correcting is proving to be more of a hassle than it's actually worth anymore.

That's my experience too. Cut the scratch with the rotary, get done, then take the swirls out with the Dual Action, not random orbital.

Robert

PS, what do you mean by "flash" I haven't learned any new terms since the 60's.

Robert

SuperBee364 · 10-24-09, 10:33

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

Jakerooni- You *are* using the newer version of M105, right?

You mean that PFW via *rotary* is still your fave M105 method, right?

Yup, exactly.

I do agree that a used PFW doesn't finish down as well, *but* (via rotary), it still finishes down as well as an LC orange foam, cuts much faster and much cooler than orange foam, too. My compounding times have been cut in half since 105 hit my PFW for the first time.

I do prefer the orange LC pad on the DA for 105, though. The times I've used PFW/105/DA I got a ton of correction, but have left a less than desirable finish to be cleaned up.

Darkstar752 · 10-25-09, 01:29

I would recommend the new Yellow Uber pads from Detailersdomain.com , they just eliminated any need for PFW for me. They are a compounding pad above Orange, but they are softer and finish much better than Orange. They haven't really gotten much press over here yet, especially since they are so new, but they are good.