Would you believe ANOTHER ONR thread???? - Page 4

SuperBee364 · 07-02-09, 09:19

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Originally Posted by lecchilo

For all those ONR users, I would really love to see a video of the wheel/wheel well cleaning as well as washing off dried on mud/dirt from after it rains and sits a few days... a hose or powerwash gets most of the stuff off fairly easily and I don't see ONR doing it effectively... I would assume the only way to do it would be as with bugs, by leaving the towel with ONR on top of the mud to loosen it and lift it, but that's a huge waste of time when you can just spray it off...

Scott, the video you have up shows the process well and obviously leaves a great surface, but that paint is very clean to begin with.

Don't get me wrong, I started using ONR recently on my M3 as it never really gets dirty, unless it rains hard and I let it sit for a day or two after a rain, so it's not like I'm bashing ONR, just thinking out loud that it has its limits...

Yup, it definitely does. Personally, I don't do nasty wheels with ONR. I also have dedicated MF"s I do use for ONR and wheels.

Bigpikle · 07-02-09, 11:23

I'm sure it has its limits, but once you get your technique nailed down, I think those limits are a pretty long way out there for most of us.

If you have heavy particle debris on your paint its really going to need some kind of rinse to be really safe, but I honestly dont remember the last time I got the hose out before ONR.

SuperBee364 · 07-02-09, 12:04

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Originally Posted by Bigpikle

I'm sure it has its limits, but once you get your technique nailed down, I think those limits are a pretty long way out there for most of us.

If you have heavy particle debris on your paint its really going to need some kind of rinse to be really safe, but I honestly dont remember the last time I got the hose out before ONR.

That's cause you live in the UK, and your hose is always frozen.

But yeah... some guys are safely using it to clean some seriously nasty vehicles. There were a few pics of some nasty ONR jobs around here, but of course I can't find them now.

Accumulator · 07-02-09, 01:25

More power to you folks who can ONR without marring. I do use it for some stuff, and I've even recommend it to a few of my pals in the Jag Club. To each their own, glad it works so well for so many people.

One thing I can't figure out is why the wheels I clean with ONR (and then spritz with FK425) are so much harder to subsequently clean compared to wheels I wash conventionally. ONRing wheels between washes is handy, but I do find those wheels to be consistently harder to clean up the next time

Dsoto87 · 07-02-09, 01:44

Harder how?

On my own car I don't even seal/wax the rims since whatever ONR leaves behind let's me just wipe away the break dust at the next wash. I can't remember the last time I used a dedicated break dust cleaner on my own car.

AGAuto · 07-02-09, 02:00

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Originally Posted by Scottwax

Regular brake dust build-up, even if it is heavy is easily removed with ONR. Next time I run across a really filthy wheel I'll either take pictures or video the process.

-- That'd be great, thanks! I just got my bottle of ONR in today so I'm going to give it a try in the near future...thanks for all the help.

CocheseUGA · 07-02-09, 03:06

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Originally Posted by lecchilo

For all those ONR users, I would really love to see a video of the wheel/wheel well cleaning as well as washing off dried on mud/dirt from after it rains and sits a few days... a hose or powerwash gets most of the stuff off fairly easily and I don't see ONR doing it effectively... I would assume the only way to do it would be as with bugs, by leaving the towel with ONR on top of the mud to loosen it and lift it, but that's a huge waste of time when you can just spray it off...

Scott, the video you have up shows the process well and obviously leaves a great surface, but that paint is very clean to begin with.

Don't get me wrong, I started using ONR recently on my M3 as it never really gets dirty, unless it rains hard and I let it sit for a day or two after a rain, so it's not like I'm bashing ONR, just thinking out loud that it has its limits...

I don't have any problems after a week with water spots, etc. Just comes right off with a spritz, hit with mitt, and wipe dry. Same with the brake dust from my Brembos.

Also got pretty clean my other car that I didn't wash in a few months. My mitt got pretty dirty, but that's what the GG is for.

As for time, I can do a ONR wash in about half the time of a regular wash.

Scottwax · 07-02-09, 03:21

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Originally Posted by lecchilo

For all those ONR users, I would really love to see a video of the wheel/wheel well cleaning as well as washing off dried on mud/dirt from after it rains and sits a few days... a hose or powerwash gets most of the stuff off fairly easily and I don't see ONR doing it effectively... I would assume the only way to do it would be as with bugs, by leaving the towel with ONR on top of the mud to loosen it and lift it, but that's a huge waste of time when you can just spray it off...

There are limits to what ONR can clean and when you get into caked on mud (more than just film) you do need to pre-rinse the car. As far as bugs go, you can't always simply spray them off. Some bug residue needs to be physically abraded to be completely removed.

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Scott, the video you have up shows the process well and obviously leaves a great surface, but that paint is very clean to begin with.

This Cayenne was pretty dirty.

YouTube - Washing a Cayenne with ONR

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Don't get me wrong, I started using ONR recently on my M3 as it never really gets dirty, unless it rains hard and I let it sit for a day or two after a rain, so it's not like I'm bashing ONR, just thinking out loud that it has its limits...

Yes, it does have its limits but they are higher than you think.

Accumulator · 07-02-09, 04:52

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Originally Posted by Dsoto87

Harder how?

On my own car I don't even seal/wax the rims since whatever ONR leaves behind let's me just wipe away the break dust at the next wash. I can't remember the last time I used a dedicated break dust cleaner on my own car.

The brake dust takes more effort/shampoo mix/time to wash off. It's simply tougher...like it adheres to the wheels/tires more for some reason. This is a consistent issue for me, happens every time I ONR my wheels/tires between regular washes

Additional info: the wheels are all well-LSPed with various products, the tires are both dressed (Z16) and not. The ONR is mixed with di water and I've tried various strengths. I've tried different QDs (also tried using none) after the ONR washes to see if that makes a diff and it didn't.

I have different brake pads on the various vehicles in question.

FWIW, my conventional wheel/tire washing is almost always done with shampoo mix (not Wheel Cleaner) and goes *very* fast and easy, even when the wheels are utterly black with dust; it just washes off with minimal effort. I suspect that's part of why I notice a diff at all.

Don't take this as a slam against ONR or anything like that..I like being able to clean the wheels/tires without worrying about getting any overspray on the rest of the vehicle. I just wonder why it works out for me the way it does

Dsoto87 · 07-02-09, 05:06

Could it be a possibility that its the 425? Do you spritz it also when you clean them with a regular shampoo?

Just wondering why your getting this with ONR incase I ever come across this situation.

Edit: what wash media are you using on the rims? I found that short looped mfs worked the best for me.

Accumulator · 07-02-09, 05:22

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Originally Posted by Dsoto87

Could it be a possibility that its the 425? Do you spritz it also when you clean them with a regular shampoo?

That was one of the first things that crossed my mind too. I almost always use it when I wash conventionally and I've tried other QDs in its place with no difference. Not using *any* QD makes the problem a little bit worse, same as it does with conventional washing.

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Just wondering why your getting this with ONR incase I ever come across this situation.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's enough to make me

and take notice but it's not a *big* deal by any means.

Biggest thing is the tires...they just don't come very clean with the ONR approach and I have to then clean them so aggressively that I have to redo the Z16 on the ones I dress.

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Edit: what wash media are you using on the rims? I found that short looped mfs worked the best for me.

Even with the ONR I use BHBs for the initial work (in case there are any "big chunks" of stuff). Then I follow up with either MFs or grout sponges, though I have to use BHBs or swabs around the lugs and in the valvestem recess.

I tend to prefer longer-nap MFs, but they sure can retain [stuff]!

CocheseUGA · 07-02-09, 06:43

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

The brake dust takes more effort/shampoo mix/time to wash off. It's simply tougher...like it adheres to the wheels/tires more for some reason. This is a consistent issue for me, happens every time I ONR my wheels/tires between regular washes

Additional info: the wheels are all well-LSPed with various products, the tires are both dressed (Z16) and not. The ONR is mixed with di water and I've tried various strengths. I've tried different QDs (also tried using none) after the ONR washes to see if that makes a diff and it didn't.

I have different brake pads on the various vehicles in question.

FWIW, my conventional wheel/tire washing is almost always done with shampoo mix (not Wheel Cleaner) and goes *very* fast and easy, even when the wheels are utterly black with dust; it just washes off with minimal effort. I suspect that's part of why I notice a diff at all.

Don't take this as a slam against ONR or anything like that..I like being able to clean the wheels/tires without worrying about getting any overspray on the rest of the vehicle. I just wonder why it works out for me the way it does

Hmm, interesting. I have no idea why I get different results as you do. Partly because I don't know what (if anything) was applied to the wheels before I got the car. But it was pretty well taken care of before I got it, so I assume something was put on the wheels.

I seem to get brake dust after about three feet. I accidentally forgot to wash the wheels last weekend. So on Tuesday, I did a quick ONR wash. Spray liberally on a dry car with a 2 gal insect sprayer, wash with a sheepskin mitt, then wipe dry with a Eurow MF. And, again, I forgot to wash the wheels. So I spayed a minor amount of OID (not ONR diluted) and wiped clean with the same MF.

I honestly don't pay too much attention to if the tires are clean vs dirty. I honestly can't tell. I hit it with my favorite dressing on a foam applicator and call it a day. And like I said, the pads on my car are notorious for dusting. I wish you got the same results I do, because I love how easy it is. Ten minutes start to finish.