Would you believe ANOTHER ONR thread????

[armoredsaint]

out of curiosity how can you truly clean a dirty wheel with ONR? don't you really need to spray it down afterwards to rinse all the dirty stuff/brake dust?

[dervdave]

Originally Posted by yo2tup

won't it leave water spots?

NO water spots because your drying almost immediately.

[dervdave]

Originally Posted by armoredsaint

out of curiosity how can you truly clean a dirty wheel with ONR? don't you really need to spray it down afterwards to rinse all the dirty stuff/brake dust?

NO need to rinse off because the dirt is pulled off into the wash mitt, sponge or microfibre which is rinsed into the ONR or rinse bucket where the heavy stuff sinks to the bottom.

[TortoiseAWD]

Originally Posted by yo2tup

won't it leave water spots?

You only wash a panel or two at a time, then go back and dry those sections. With ONR, you shouldn't ever run into water spots because the wash solution doesn't have time to dry.


And, since we're talking about ONR wash methods . . .

I use an old Sonus buffing towel (microfiber, but feels more like cotton terry) as my wash media. I get the bulk of the dirt off of a panel with one side of the towel, then flip to a clean side for my final wipe on the panel. Then, to dry, I use two MF hand towels. One is dampened with ONR solution (dunk it, wring it out as much as possible), the other is just dry. I use the damp towel first, for two reasons: First, with our hard water, anything but brand-spanking new MF just doesn't absorb quickly until it's damp - it tends to just push water around. Second, I figure the damp towel has at least a little lubrication to it just in case I missed any dirt with my wash towel. Then, to finish, I follow with the completely dry towel to get the tiny amount of wash solution left behind from the damp towel.

FWIW,
Tort

[EisenHulk]

Just to make sure I'm playing it safe, if I'm going to do an ONR wash, I'll use nothing but distilled water in my wash AND rinse bucket. That way I'm 99.9999999% sure water spots will not be an issue.

Originally Posted by yo2tup

won't it leave water spots?

[Less]

Just my two cents here:

I'm still somewhat in the "snake oil" camp regarding this product. I'm not saying that it doesn't do what it claims. I believe that polymer encapsulation is possible. I just don't believe that it's an true alternative for washing cars..

As SuperBee mentioned, your wash media has to be soaked and dripping with ONR. And you get alot more mileage out of the product when you pre-spray using a heavier dilution ratio.

Everyone seems to forget that when you wash with ONR, you're using MOSTLY just plain water. As I said, I believe that polymer encapsulation exists, however, I don't believe that a capful or two of ONR has enough encapsulation power to clean an entire car. Especially if that car is particularly dirty.

Regardless of whether or not you think I'm wrong, you can't argue that there is a MUCH smaller margin of error when using ONR compared to a traditional wash. And I don't think that ONR can hold a candle to a traditional wash when it comes to wheels, wheel wells, and engine bays.

one more thought:

How much of ONR's success is attributable to the advent of Microfiber? We all know that Microfiber has superior cleaning ability because its strands are engineered to capture dirt, pull it away from the surface being cleaned, and trap the dirt deep in the fibers until the towel can be washed.

[CocheseUGA]

I agree that's it's probably not best for dirty cars. But for guys like me who wash once a week, and top up with QID in-between, it works great. I did five cars last weekend, and I still have about a half-gallon of mixed solution left. I keep some Cali Gold on hand for very dirty cars or wheels.

[Less]

Basically for me, it comes down to this:

There is NO SUCH THING as a marring-free wash. I simply don't believe any product that makes such claims. I also don't believe anyone who says that he NEVER swirls a car when he washes it.

While it's true that certain products and techniques can minimize the potential for such defects. And it's also true that some people can produce marring free washes once, twice, ten times, or even one hundred times. But we're all human beings, and we make mistakes sometimes.

Certain products or techniques can compensate for SOME of those potential mistakes, but never ALL of them. And if you look at different wash products, in general, you'll see that as products are able to compensate for more mistakes, they become more expensive.

Just look at Microfiber. For decades, people used cotton or terry cloth towels to buff paint. And there is nothing to say that a careful detailer couldn't use those products exclusively with good results today. However, microfiber reduces the risk, and shrinks the margin of error involved in buffing. In order to do that, it takes more engineering, better materials, more care in manufacturing, higher quality standards, and therefore, more money. Same goes for wash mitts, brushes, or just about anything else. Granted there are always exceptions, but generally speaking, higher price usually equals higher quality.

For me, I think ONR is the opposite. It costs more than traditional soap. It takes longer to wash (and time is money if you do this professionally). You have to be even more careful than normal. The margin of error is smaller. So I think that money/swirl ratio is going the wrong way.

If it's 35 degrees outside, and for some reason, I absolutely MUST wash my car, ONR is the product of choice. But other than that, i just don't have a use for it.

If the same person washes 100 cars using ONR, and 100 cars using a traditional wash, I'll bet dollars for doughnuts that the ONR cars will have far more wash-induced marring than the traditionally washed cars.

[Anthony Orosco]

For a comparison.....mix up a solution of ONR with regular tap water and also another mixture using soft or RO water. Compare how they feel side by side, post up your thoughts....discuss amongst yourselves

Anthony

[MichaelM]

Originally Posted by Less

For me, I think ONR is the opposite. It costs more than traditional soap. It takes longer to wash (and time is money if you do this professionally). You have to be even more careful than normal. The margin of error is smaller. So I think that money/swirl ratio is going the wrong way.

In my shop we do about 800 hand washes a year. During the winter months when salt is an issue we will wash with a two bucket method but for cars that come in spring, summer, and fall on a more regular basis with day-to-day-dirt on them we'll use ONR. The ONR washes, for us, are far faster then traditional washing. Most of the time is made up during the drying phase as we blow dry every car we wash with a hose.

[CocheseUGA]

Originally Posted by MichaelM

In my shop we do about 800 hand washes a year. During the winter months when salt is an issue we will wash with a two bucket method but for cars that come in spring, summer, and fall on a more regular basis with day-to-day-dirt on them we'll use ONR. The ONR washes, for us, are far faster then traditional washing. Most of the time is made up during the drying phase as we blow dry every car we wash with a hose.

Agreed on ONR being faster, at least for me.

I haven't done any paint correction on it, so I can't speak to how much marring it is doing. But I do know I can wash my car in under ten minutes and it looks great. And it's hard to make black look great.

[prix03gt]

I must be the exception to the rule because it takes me longer to wash with ONR than a regular soap wash. I think I am being more careful with the ONR because I don't have that sudsy safety blanket I am use to. That being said, now that I use ONR, my car has never been cleaner. The paint just feels cleaner after an ONR wash, not sure why, but as long as it works, who cares.

Also, I use well water at my house, so ONR is a life saver in that regard. Even if it take a little longer to wash, I'm not running my well dry.