Zymöl Vintage... what do you charge?

[Imatk]

Oh My God... this has AGAIN spiraled into a "Gee Zymol is best because"

"No NO you're wrong Zymol isn't that great because!!"

For the love of Pete do a friggin search on this site and just read through the PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES of argument.

Whoever is moderating this please lock it... I think we've ALL had enough of this argument... I know I have.

[Danase]

Originally Posted by Imatk

Oh My God... this has AGAIN spiraled into a "Gee Zymol is best because"

"No NO you're wrong Zymol isn't that great because!!"

For the love of Pete do a friggin search on this site and just read through the PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES of argument.

Whoever is moderating this please lock it... I think we've ALL had enough of this argument... I know I have.

You don't HAVE to read it. Nobody's holding a jar of Zymol to your head.

[MDRX8]

Imatk, I have had enough too!!!!!

Originally Posted by Imatk

Oh My God... this has AGAIN spiraled into a "Gee Zymol is best because"

"No NO you're wrong Zymol isn't that great because!!"

For the love of Pete do a friggin search on this site and just read through the PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES of argument.

Whoever is moderating this please lock it... I think we've ALL had enough of this argument... I know I have.

[02zx9r]

[quote=Apollo_Auto;1281578]Also, don't forget that there's millions of people out there that still think a Breitling tells time better than a Casio... these are the people I intend to market with this...
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I dont think a Breitling tells time better than a casio, Rolex, Tag Heuer, etc... but it sure does look nice.

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Originally Posted by Jakerooni

I know but it dosen't stop people from making the claims.. Which was actually the entire point... Just cuz it's claimed dosen't make it true.. and even if true doesn't make it any better than anything else...

I don't see anywhere in this thread, or anywhere in Zymol's literature where they claim that their wax is 100% carnauba. From what I've read, they claim it's 61% pure brazillian no.1 white carnauba by volume. Which they claim is more than any of their competitors. That is certainly possible and is most likely true. Just because YOU don't think it works any better than the wax that YOU use, doesn't mean that you're in a position to question these claims.

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Originally Posted by Imatk

Oh My God... this has AGAIN spiraled into a "Gee Zymol is best because"

"No NO you're wrong Zymol isn't that great because!!"

For the love of Pete do a friggin search on this site and just read through the PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES of argument.

Whoever is moderating this please lock it... I think we've ALL had enough of this argument... I know I have.

I think you're missing the point. This isn't an argument about whether or not Zymol is worth the money. Or how it compares to other stuff.

The argument here, or at least the argument that I'm trying to make, is that the average high-end car owner probably has a good enough head on his shoulders to ask why he's paying a premium for this wax.

The opinion perpetuated by others in this thread, is something along the lines of "fools and their money.....etc.".

I just find the notion that there are people in this world who are savvy enough to earn the money to buy a high-end car are, at the same time, naive enough to judge the quality of a product based solely on it's price. It's ludicrous.

[Jakerooni]

Less your also missing the point. Because it is a fool and their money. The rich tend to spend on quality. And I don;t think anyone is disputing that Zymol is quality. They are a good product and they do work as claimed. No one is stating it's overpriced garbage or anything... The point is you can find the exact same or very comparable quality in much cheaper products. I would easily put stuff like Fuzion, Supernatural, Souverign etc etc on the same level as most Zymol products. All of them are Quality. All of them are very close to the same make up in content... So why is one over $2000 a tub and the others in the $100-$300 range? The answer is Marketing. It's the only answer that makes even a shred of sense. And while the rich that splurge on this are still getting their quality that they have to assume is there they are marketed to paying ridicolous amounts for it when the same quality can be had for much cheaper... Which means the thinking is the more it cost the better it must be... I find it really hard for anyone to actually argue that fact.

[CocheseUGA]

They do claim 61% carnuba, or such. Why is more better? Specifically, why is 61% better than 50%?

And, can anyone express it other than a wax manufacturer's press release?

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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA

I'm still wondering what makes it worth the money.

Hopefully this is my last post in this thread. I'll try to answer the above question.

1) Highest carnauba content by volume
2) Highest grade (No. 1) carnauba
3) Free refills for life
4) Seemingly superior customer service (thanks MDRX8 for sharing your experience)
5) Extremely nice packaging
6) Dozens of other ingredients that don't seem to be found in other waxes. It's not clear to me what exactly these are for. Perhaps all they do is make the wax smell nice. who knows. But if I were in the market for a $2K wax, I would certainly ask the question.

Now, some, or possibly all of these things may not mean much to YOU. But that doesn't mean that that they aren't important to SOMEONE.

Going further (Warning: blatant speculation ahead), it's entirely possible that Zymol simply has higher operating costs than other companies. I'm guessing from MDRX8's experiences that it's probably that Zymol mixes up a tub of Vintage in very small batches, or possibly even individually. This means that the costs of materials and manufacturing setups gets spread over a much smaller number of units. It's not like Mother's or Meguiars where they're manufacturing tens of thousands of units at a time ready for immediate distribution to stores worldwide.

As mentioned, Zymol markets their product very well. This also costs money and is therefore calculated into the price.

And even if everything i just mentioned is complete mumbo-jumbo, you can't deny that their marketing and presentation of their product is superb. Imagine this example: Two restaurants serve the same T-bone steak. One is served to you in a quiet booth by a finely dressed waiter, on expensive china. The other serves your steak on a chipped piece of farberware, by a sweaty guy named Murray wearing a stained white tank-top. Can you REALLY say that one is no better than the other? If you don't care about ambiance, atmosphere, professionalism, or cleanliness, then sure, you can say that both steaks are exactly the same. But if you DO care about those things, then they obviously have value to you, and the restaurant has every right to charge you for it.

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Originally Posted by Jakerooni

Less your also missing the point. Because it is a fool and their money. The rich tend to spend on quality. And I don;t think anyone is disputing that Zymol is quality. They are a good product and they do work as claimed. No one is stating it's overpriced garbage or anything... The point is you can find the exact same or very comparable quality in much cheaper products. I would easily put stuff like Fuzion, Supernatural, Souverign etc etc on the same level as most Zymol products. All of them are Quality. All of them are very close to the same make up in content... So why is one over $2000 a tub and the others in the $100-$300 range? The answer is Marketing. It's the only answer that makes even a shred of sense. And while the rich that splurge on this are still getting their quality that they have to assume is there they are marketed to paying ridicolous amounts for it when the same quality can be had for much cheaper... Which means the thinking is the more it cost the better it must be... I find it really hard for anyone to actually argue that fact.

Marketing is NOT the only answer. I've posted a few just a moment ago before I saw your post.

I think if you re-read what I've posted you'll see that there IS a difference between the $100-$300 waxes and the $2000 wax.

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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA

They do claim 61% carnuba, or such. Why is more better? Specifically, why is 61% better than 50%?

I'm not a math major, but I'm pretty sure that 61 is more than 50. And usually more of something, means it's better.

next time you go to the drugstore, pick up a bottle of Nyquil. Take a look at the active ingredients. Notice the one that says "Cough Suppressant" and note how much it contains.

Then pick up a bottle of Delsym, and notice how much of that same ingredient it contains.

next time you have a cold, try both and see which one stifles your cough better.

Do the same thing with Halls cough drops. Notice how much menthol-lyptus is in the cherry flavored compared to the ice blue flavor. Try 'em both and see which eases your symptoms better.

Now, if carnauba wax is what protects paint from contaminants, water spots, etching, bird crap, etc. It seems logical that more carnauba means a more protective coating.

If you're still not convinced, go buy a gallon of Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams paint. Then go buy a gallon of Behr paint from home depot. Do a side by side comparison. There is NO DOUBT that the more expensive brand uses higher quality ingredients and covers better.

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General Mills Honey nut cheerios taste better than store-brand Tasty-O's

I could go on like this forever. Sometimes there is such a thing as HIGHER QUALITY. And a company that manufactures higher quality would be a fool not to charge for it.

I find it interesting how some people can try to put a cap on how much a wax should cost. As if there is some arbitrary limit where the added quality and cost stop yielding better results.

I'm not saying that Zymol isn't overpriced. I really don't know enough about their operation, or their manufacturing costs. But I am just saying that if it were REALLY an extra $1700 JUST for a swanky box and some sexy marketing, they wouldn't sell a single unit.

I don't doubt that some of the inflated cost is simply "status" and "perceived value". But you can't put a number on that, and neither can I.

You don't work for Zymol. You don't know how they make their product. you don't know what goes into it. And you don't know what it does to paint on a microscopic level. So to sit there and claim that Fuzion, Supernatural, and Souveran are equal is completely naive.

I think alot of the anti-zymol sentiments here are motivated by jealousy.