Giving zaino a chance...

[Cleaning Fool]

Originally Posted by beau

Zymol and Zaino = alot of hype. And expensive to boot, especially when Zaino doesn't offer larger sizes. Einmann Fabrik, Chemical Guys, Poorboys World, Menzerna, Optimum, Detailers Pride, Hi-Temp... better value.

Sorry, didn't answer your question. Always nice to see new members, but the two brands you mentioned are very popular an auto forums, but aren't as popular here as some of the brands I mentioned above (not suggesting they're not used here by many proficient detailers, of course). I've used Zymol and thought it was very difficult to work with. Haven't tried Zaino, as I like to buy in volume to save money. Neither brands, in my opinion, offer anything that the others can't accomplish, and often at a fraction of the price.

So a guy asks a question about Zaino and you tell him its "alot of hype" and "expensive" and in the next sentence you say you have never used Zaino. If your going to give people meaningful, helpful advice, atleast have some experience with it. I fail to see how you can tell somebody that a other products accomplish the same thing, and once again, you have never used the product.

[wfedwar]

Originally Posted by Cleaning Fool

So a guy asks a question about Zaino and you tell him its "alot of hype" and "expensive" and in the next sentence you say you have never used Zaino. If your going to give people meaningful, helpful advice, atleast have some experience with it. I fail to see how you can tell somebody that a other products accomplish the same thing, and once again, you have never used the product.

Agreed. I'm sure he's read all about it, though

Zaino is good stuff and gives a unique appearance. DG products are the closest kin. I'd go with AIO, Z2, Z8, and Z16.

[Scottwax]

Originally Posted by sportgemmo

Guys, first of all thanks for all the input. I'm newbie here, but i've just learned a lot from you. I've been reading the forum for a long time but i just got registered...

Scottwax: i saw some pics of cars you have worked and i must say its incredible what you can do with Vanilla Moose! But i just have a rotary buffer... do you think i can get similar results? What about trying by hand??

Thanks again for all your answers

Greetings from Germany!

If you have a rotary and use it properly, I see no need to anything by hand except applying a wax or sealant.

However...

Vanilla Moose is a great product but works best via DA buffer. It flashes off too quickly with a rotary. You can use it by hand but I would follow with a carnauba, not a sealant.

[beau]

Originally Posted by Cleaning Fool

So a guy asks a question about Zaino and you tell him its "alot of hype" and "expensive" and in the next sentence you say you have never used Zaino. If your going to give people meaningful, helpful advice, atleast have some experience with it. I fail to see how you can tell somebody that a other products accomplish the same thing, and once again, you have never used the product.

You don't need to use an item to know how expensive it is, or how hyped up it is. The definition of "hype" is "exaggerated publicity; hoopla". I think any subjective person would agree there is a lot of hype surrounding Zaino. So I don't need experience with the product to know price, or how often it has been heralded during my 9 years on this message board (yes, 9 years, we had to re-register when they changed bulletin board software).

You fail to see how I can tell somebody that other products accomplish the same thing. I stand behind this statement. If there is one thing I've learned on this board, it's the ability of the detailer, and not the products, that produces the best shine.

Is there a single product that towers head and shoulders above every other product in that category? No. As long as it's a quality product, the only differences are mostly subtle at best and open to conjecture.

Give Scottwax or ACCUMULATOR all Turtle Wax products, and a neophyte all Zaino, Which car would you bet would look better? If you say the Turtle Wax car, then you agree with my original comment.

[sportgemmo]

Originally Posted by beau

Give Scottwax or ACCUMULATOR all Turtle Wax products, and a neophyte all Zaino, Which car would you bet would look better? If you say the Turtle Wax car, then you agree with my original comment.

Totally true... unfortunately i'm just a neophyte, and if using zaino or vanilla moose will get me similar results as the big guys here get... again, lets give new products a chance!

[gmblack3a]

Originally Posted by beau

Zymol and Zaino = alot of hype. And expensive to boot, especially when Zaino doesn't offer larger sizes. Einmann Fabrik, Chemical Guys, Poorboys World, Menzerna, Optimum, Detailers Pride, Hi-Temp... better value.

Sorry, didn't answer your question. Always nice to see new members, but the two brands you mentioned are very popular an auto forums, but aren't as popular here as some of the brands I mentioned above (not suggesting they're not used here by many proficient detailers, of course). I've used Zymol and thought it was very difficult to work with. Haven't tried Zaino, as I like to buy in volume to save money. Neither brands, in my opinion, offer anything that the others can't accomplish, and often at a fraction of the price.

Maybe I missed something when I tried CG and PB out, but I never got the durability from them that I get with zaino. I use zaino as it give maximum protection the back breaking work (8-10 hours of polishing at a minimum) that I do on clients as well as our cars.

I have tried a few of the "beauty" waxes, but when they are done in less then 6 weeks instead of 6 months like zaino, it is an easy choice for me.

[rwisejr]

If you want to try the Zaino products go ahead .I think you will be happy with your purchase. ZAIO,CS,Z16,Z10,Z8,Z6 are my farvorites of that line and are really good products key is remember a little goes a long way.I think you will be pleased. As far as ZPC it works well but for paint correction you may want to try the M105 since you have a Mercedes which more than likely has the ceramiclear but that depends on how bad the the in perfections are since 105 is some pretty aggressive stuff .For lighter imperfections then I would go Menzerna SIP followed by one of their finishing polishes .This would be preceeded by a good claying.

[weekendwarrior]

I agree that Zaino gets a lot of hype. I don't neccessarily agree that their products are expensive. You use so little product (if used properly), that when you factor in cost per application, as well as length of protection, they are fairly cheap.

There are only 2 product lines on the market that I get long lasting protection from - Zaino and Collinite.

[wfedwar]

Originally Posted by beau

You fail to see how I can tell somebody that other products accomplish the same thing. I stand behind this statement. If there is one thing I've learned on this board, it's the ability of the detailer, and not the products, that produces the best shine.

Is there a single product that towers head and shoulders above every other product in that category? No. As long as it's a quality product, the only differences are mostly subtle at best and open to conjecture.

Give Scottwax or ACCUMULATOR all Turtle Wax products, and a neophyte all Zaino, Which car would you bet would look better? If you say the Turtle Wax car, then you agree with my original comment.

The question isn't about whether or not another person could do better, it's about whether or not "sportgemmo" should try Zaino products.

[wannafbody]

Sure Zaino gets lots of hype and the reason is that it looks good and lasts.

[EisenHulk]

To the OP: It's your money, go with what you want. I have minimal experience with Zaino, but what I've used, I've really liked. Z16 is the best looking tire dressing going, IMHO. I have my Zaino list...I just need to pull the trigger and buy it.

[Cleaning Fool]

Originally Posted by beau

You don't need to use an item to know how expensive it is, or how hyped up it is. The definition of "hype" is "exaggerated publicity; hoopla". I think any subjective person would agree there is a lot of hype surrounding Zaino. So I don't need experience with the product to know price, or how often it has been heralded during my 9 years on this message board (yes, 9 years, we had to re-register when they changed bulletin board software).

You fail to see how I can tell somebody that other products accomplish the same thing. I stand behind this statement. If there is one thing I've learned on this board, it's the ability of the detailer, and not the products, that produces the best shine.

Is there a single product that towers head and shoulders above every other product in that category? No. As long as it's a quality product, the only differences are mostly subtle at best and open to conjecture.

Give Scottwax or ACCUMULATOR all Turtle Wax products, and a neophyte all Zaino, Which car would you bet would look better? If you say the Turtle Wax car, then you agree with my original comment.

You could make the argument that Zymol at $175 is expensive, but the product we are discussing is less than $20. What Scottwax can do with a car is about 00.10 percent of the detailing population. 90% or more who buy Zaino or any other wax/sealant for that matter, are just average joes who work for a living and like a clean car.. That argument simply doesn't hold any water. Thats like saying look what LeBron James can do with a basketball. Well, thats the rare minority, most people will never reach that level. We are talking about the average joe shooting baskets in his driveway.Does the poster indicate anywhere hes a pro and looking for advice? ... No ...I don't go around giving people advice about products I have never used, I'm not qualified, I don't care what I've read on the internet. To me its just a prostitution of Autopia to go out and give advice to a guy about product X when you are basing an opinion on what you have read on a detailing forum and have not used the product at all.