new & improved PO106ff - Page 8

SuperBee364 · 07-03-08, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Dave1

Well Todd, I hear ya but, in a court of law.....you need a body.

Find out what's in Menzerna 106 that fills and you win your case.....

The manufacturer may not tell you for obvious reasons. IF lubricants "fill", test the lubricants. If it's something else, test that......

I'm used to seeing you break down your details to the bone with information and I always look forward to learning something from your efforts. Many here have seen the effects you first mentioned and it's probably a given that other companies have their secret formulas that are not open to the public to copy.....

My personal take:
Knowing that a wipe down may be necessary depending on the LSP, I personally don't get angry about a product that has excellent results in paint correction........

Have a good July 4th weekend.......

Dave, *no one* was getting angry about a product that has excellent results in paint correction. *Everyone* was getting angry about Menzerna USA's response when they were made aware of the fact that 106 and 85rd fills. Menz took a situation that called for an appropriate reaction ("Gee guys, you're right, it does unintentionally fill, and here's what you can do to fix it.") and turned it into a perfect example of how a company should *not* handle their customers. That's when the anger started.

Dave1 · 07-03-08, 01:08

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Dave, *no one* was getting angry about a product that has excellent results in paint correction. *Everyone* was getting angry about Menzerna USA's response when they were made aware of the fact that 106 and 85rd fills. Menz took a situation that called for an appropriate reaction ("Gee guys, you're right, it does unintentionally fill, and here's what you can do to fix it.") and turned it into a perfect example of how a company should *not* handle their customers. That's when the anger started.

Ok, SuperBee......

Now you get Menzerna in Europe to admit that 106 fills and you win......

It's that simple.....

If the "USA" version of the story is different than the OEM German version I'd be shocked.......Mr. Silver may, just may be posting something from the parent company as far as we know here at this point....

Could it have been handled better.....?

Absolutely....

Great customer service is always important for successful companies. If and when the mother company alters Mr. Silvers comments, they remain the same virtually.

Perhaps some of our German friends here can chime in with some inside knowledge that will give us all some additional understanding......

TH0001 · 07-03-08, 01:38

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Originally Posted by Dave1

Well Todd, I hear ya but, in a court of law.....you need a body.

Find out what's in Menzerna 106 that fills and you win your case.....

The manufacturer may not tell you for obvious reasons. IF lubricants "fill", test the lubricants. If it's something else, test that......

I'm used to seeing you break down your details to the bone with information and I always look forward to learning something from your efforts. Many here have seen the effects you first mentioned and it's probably a given that other companies have their secret formulas that are not open to the public to copy.....

My personal take:
Knowing that a wipe down may be necessary depending on the LSP, I personally don't get angry about a product that has excellent results in paint correction........

Have a good July 4th weekend.......

Hi Dave, I'm not sure I understand your post or the direction of it.

My body is that I can polish certain paints, make them appear perfect after polishing, then make the defects return. I, as well as MANY others have posted this and it isn't a myth. Once presented I would except the manufacturer (or in this case the importer) to give me the reason why.

Are you saying that the results that a lot of us have had are not happening because I cannot tell you why they happened? (This is what I got from your post but I am not sure if this was the message you meant).

Regarding your personal take, I agree that it is your personal take. From my end, I pubically stated (first to my knowledge) that 106ff CAN mask defects and was called a liar and bashed by the importer of the product. Neither of us are wrong, but I did not and do not enjoy being called a liar (and by reference to this thread, incompetent) by a company when they are wrong.

TH0001 · 07-03-08, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Dave1

Ok, SuperBee......

Now you get Menzerna in Europe to admit that 106 fills and you win......

It's that simple.....

I'm not sure what prize he would win because I still don't see what this has to do with the fact that many people have had these results.

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If the "USA" version of the story is different than the OEM German version I'd be shocked.......Mr. Silver may, just may be posting something from the parent company as far as we know here at this point....

I would be shocked if that is not what happened? I wonder if the mother ship also requested that he call me a liar, claim I invent conversations, and question the skill level of some of the best detailers on this side of the pond.

Even if they did, this hardly gives anybody a free pass so to speak. You should know the products you sell inside and out and be able to provide your information about those. I know that if I where to sell a product I would research everything about it and test it and test it, etc. Perhaps Menzerna would be better off using a distributor that was more dedicated to detailing and had a better background as such.

So if Menzerna (Germany) denies it fills, that gives aminesty to those who sell the products as well?

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Perhaps some of our German friends here can chime in with some inside knowledge that will give us all some additional understanding......

Additonal understanding of what? The fact that many of the top detailers on this site have had filling issues with 106ff and the US distributor denies this? Is there more to understand?

EisenHulk · 07-03-08, 02:03

I am not even in the same ballpark as the guys in this thread, but I experienced filling from 106ff this past weekend while polishing a 2002 NBP Honda Accord. I was using SIP with an orange LC pad, then 106FF with white pad....Looked great. I then did a prep-all wipe, and there were swirls in plain sight.

Just my dos pesos.

Dave1 · 07-03-08, 03:34

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Originally Posted by TH0001

Are you saying that the results that a lot of us have had are not happening because I cannot tell you why they happened? (This is what I got from your post but I am not sure if this was the message you meant).

No, not at all.....

I agreed with you in another thread that a wipe down is necessary after using Menzerna to check the surface for swirl removal.

GatorJ · 07-03-08, 03:38

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Originally Posted by Holden_C04

Autogeek ought to be careful advertising such claims. I think this could be regarded as false advertising.

Please, I don't think so. How in the world do you disprove their statement? Maybe you ought to be careful what you accuse site sponsors of doing.

Dave1 · 07-03-08, 03:42

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Originally Posted by TH0001

1.) So if Menzerna (Germany) denies it fills, that gives aminesty to those who sell the products as well?

2.) Additonal understanding of what?

1.) Basically yes.....If the mother company backs up what their distributer said, what other conclusion can you come to......?
The guy may be a jerk and I completely understand your point here Todd, don't get me wrong......

2.) What product specifically is filling.....

Holden_C04 · 07-03-08, 04:20

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Originally Posted by GatorJ

Please, I don't think so. How in the world do you disprove their statement? Maybe you ought to be careful what you accuse site sponsors of doing.

106FA is not a new product. If you do some searching for yourself, you will find it has been around for a very long time so it can't be a "new and improved" 106FF. I don't know the whole story and Menzerna doesn't tell the whole story either. I simply recognize and question when a retailer starts up a whole new marketing campaign based on previously unreported information. It may be true, and it may not be. But I am certainly skeptical.

Bence · 07-03-08, 05:08

Ah, guys, there is one thing which I haven't done yet, but definitely will: to accelerate the aging process of the surface, I'll put my IR heater against the test panel. This high heat condition will help the evaporation of the possible waxy lubes/oils, so we'll see results faster.

I just need another NBP Honda...

TH0001 · 07-03-08, 05:19

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Originally Posted by Dave1

1.) Basically yes.....If the mother company backs up what their distributer said, what other conclusion can you come to......?
The guy may be a jerk and I completely understand your point here Todd, don't get me wrong......

So if a little kid grows up to be a murder and his mother was a murder, do we just shrug our shoulders?

The point is that anybody selling a product accepts a degree of responsiblity for the product they sell, I am not too quick to pass the buck. IMO it would make both of them wrong vs. one of them correct. At least that is my conculsion. I think you are playing devil's advocate here but the thing is I don't see the other side.

Perhaps Jeff, as I have seen him viewing this thread at least 3 times today, could comment as to whether Menzerna (Germany) told him to call me a liar and indirectly insult my skill level as well?

jason@autogeek · 07-03-08, 05:41

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Originally Posted by Holden_C04

106FA is not a new product. If you do some searching for yourself, you will find it has been around for a very long time so it can't be a "new and improved" 106FF. I don't know the whole story and Menzerna doesn't tell the whole story either. I simply recognize and question when a retailer starts up a whole new marketing campaign based on previously unreported information. It may be true, and it may not be. But I am certainly skeptical.

The 106 FA has been around for a while now, this is correct. We decided to start carrying this product as many customers were asking for it. Theres alot of versions of the 106 polishes that are sold to different factories the ones we here the most about are the po85rd,106ff and 106fa. The 106Fa is the newest version of the 106 nano polishes.