new & improved PO106ff - Page 2

rydawg · 07-01-08, 11:30

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Originally Posted by snowskate

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Rydawg: nice change in your avatar! you certainly deserve it after BATTLING that Ford!

Thanks! Ya that was the first blue one I did. I just finished my second blue one the other day and should have the C&B up this week.

Bigpoppa3346 · 07-02-08, 05:30

Can FA fill like FF does?

99blackSE · 07-02-08, 05:59

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Originally Posted by Holden_C04

Autogeek ought to be careful advertising such claims. I think this could be regarded as false advertising.

They might want to change that bit at the bottom about Menz not having a sealant as well.

budman3 · 07-02-08, 06:22

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Originally Posted by 99blackSE

They might want to change that bit at the bottom about Menz not having a sealant as well.

They don't though ... If your talking about FMJ, it's not a real Menz product, CMA just put the Menzerna name on it.

Meghan@Autogeek · 07-02-08, 07:19

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Originally Posted by budman3

They don't though ... If your talking about FMJ, it's not a real Menz product, CMA just put the Menzerna name on it.

Very true statement budman.

Meghan@Autogeek · 07-02-08, 07:20

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Originally Posted by Holden_C04

Autogeek ought to be careful advertising such claims. I think this could be regarded as false advertising.

Whats false?

It is the new version, did I miss something?

ptaylor_9849 · 07-02-08, 07:42

Who manufactures FMJ then?

MotorCity · 07-02-08, 07:56

As we all know menzerna polishes were created for OEM usage.. It is my understanding that 106ff was formulated for Mercedes and 106fa was *tweaked* from the 106ff formula for BMW. This is at least what I have read.

Most that have used both 106ff and 106fa have reported that 106fa has a longer work time with less dusting

SuperBee364 · 07-02-08, 08:40

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Originally Posted by ptaylor_9849

Who manufactures FMJ then?

That was never answered. All Silverman would say, is that if it has a Menzerna label on it, it's "a Menzerna product". Note the careful wording. That was in direct response to the question "are FMJ and FTG manufactured by Menzerna?"

Menzerna USA isn't doing itself any favors by having Silverman in his position. He's created more bad blood (*especially* over the whole 106 and 85rd filling thing) and confused product names/numbers even worse than they were in the first place. Notice he doesn't post around here or the other popular detailing boards anymore. Wonder why.

jsilver6 · 07-02-08, 09:53

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

That was never answered. All Silverman would say, is that if it has a Menzerna label on it, it's "a Menzerna product". Note the careful wording. That was in direct response to the question "are FMJ and FTG manufactured by Menzerna?"

Menzerna USA isn't doing itself any favors by having Silverman in his position. He's created more bad blood (*especially* over the whole 106 and 85rd filling thing) and confused product names/numbers even worse than they were in the first place. Notice he doesn't post around here or the other popular detailing boards anymore. Wonder why.

SuperBee364, thanks for the kind words. I tend to spend time running a business and this leave me little opportunity (or interest) to correct misconceptions, errors, and falsehoods.

Case in point: My name is Jeff Silver, not Silverman.
If you would like information from the factory source, just send an email to polish@menzernausa.com and i will give you a reply. This is preferred to what many do on various forums, namely post thoughts as facts without any substantiation.

We manufacture and sell buffing compounds and polish to professionals and industrial customers. We don't intentionally create bad blood, however we cannot prevent some people from getting themselves confused. If someone insists that a product in some way performs differently than designed and they wish to maintain that belief, then so be it. I can only hope that their skill level improves to match the quality of the product.

If you would like to present evidence to the contrary, and not just repeat the self-serving comments from others with an ax to grind, I would be glad to pass it along to our lab.

If you are also having difficulty with understanding product number, please contact your distributor or send me an email. In the future, we will be using product names instead of numbers, so this should help you out. Again, any questions you still have with figuring out product types can be answered by our knowledgeable distributors.

SuperBee364 · 07-02-08, 10:10

Whoops, sorry I got the name wrong. My apologies. And I do stand by my statements about how poorly the whole polish filling thing was handled, as well as product names and numbers. I'm not trying to start a flame war, as that was already well done last year about all of these issues.

Note that I have been nothing but a Menzerna supporter and avid user. I'm just very disappointed with how several things have been handled by your office. I am one of the many people who observed/observe on a daily basis how PO85RD and PO106FF *do* fill and mask defects. Whether it was intentional on Menzerna's part is moot. The fact is that it *does* occur, and your office's response was completely unprofessional and poorly handled. I'm not asking for a product formulation change; I *love* all of my Menz polishes, but it would be nice for Menz to say something like, "Yup, they do unintentionally mask defects, and here's what you can do to fix it..." instead of the name calling and denial that actually occured. Several of the people that were pretty much called liars by Menzerna are *very* well respected detailing professionals. *That* is the bad blood to which I refered.

99blackSE · 07-02-08, 10:32

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Originally Posted by budman3

They don't though ... If your talking about FMJ, it's not a real Menz product, CMA just put the Menzerna name on it.

My mistake and apologies then, but if an initial consumer didn't know this I'd imagine they would pull a similar assumption