Menzerna SIP and 106FF = Holy Grail!

[rydawg]

Out of the hundreds of cars that I have used Menzerna on, I only had an issue with a soft black harly. The other was being my Ecalade. Most of us know how crappy the paint is on these GM suv's anyway.

[rydawg]

Spoiledman, are you using the UDM with a green pad?

[SpoiledMan]

DA's are for paint cleaners. Rotary man.

[rydawg]

Originally Posted by SpoiledMan

DA's are for paint cleaners. Rotary man.

OK..Good to hear!

Prep Sol will not remove the oils. When Menzerna told me that I did not believe them until I heavily tested it. They were right!

I use a strong body shop alcohol solution wipedown which removes EVERYTHING. All you need is a 70% alcohol cut 50/50. Three wipedowns may have to be done to 100% sure.

[SpoiledMan]

How about straight alcohol?

[DennisH]

Originally Posted by rydawg

OK..Good to hear!

Prep Sol will not remove the oils. When Menzerna told me that I did not believe them until I heavily tested it. They were right!

I use a strong body shop alcohol solution wipedown which removes EVERYTHING. All you need is a 70% alcohol cut 50/50. Three wipedowns may have to be done to 100% sure.

That is just the opposite of what Menzerna told me that the preferred method was Prep Sol but alcohol wipe would work in the absents of Prep Sol. Also Dupont paints recommends a Prep Sol wipe to removing polishing oils or other commandants prior to painting. I would think if Prep Sol will remove sealants like Z, DG, or OS it wouldn’t have a problem with residue left by Menzerna.

[MDRX8]

PO85RD is also a excellant product to use as a finishing phase. I use it with a red pad to remove previous waxes and prepare for my finish with Zymol Vintage. The 85RD is awesome!!!

[Deanski]

Menzerna polishes do not fill, period! The only filling products from Menzerna are the glaze APO60 and the wax PO73. All other polishes are for use in bodyshop environments, so they do not contain silicone or clay fillers. What some see is the improper break-down of the polish, and/or any residual waxes which can lead to a filling type of senerio.

If you experience "filling" then A) you're not breaking down the polish fully or B) there is residual wax or other product left on the finish.

Menzerna polishes for Ceramiclears were really designed for spot repairs/correction while on the assembly line/off line and these manufactures were specificly trained by Menzerna and PPG on what type of tool, pad, rotation speed, pressure, duration etc to correct a finish.

Outside of this, using Menzerna does have a learning curve to use correctly. But once one can grasp the proper use of it (tool,pad, pressure, duration etc) then you'll have the best finishing capabilities.

I came from a very heavy 3M shop, to Menzerna after one of the owners got samples prior to Ceramiclears, and we were learing this product. Once learned, it was outstanding, and we ditched the 3M. Once the Ceramiclears started to arrive, we had Menzerna ship the product for us to test on "test fenders/hoods" that we shot with the new finish as per Mercedes spec. It took some time to master, but again, we were all blown away with the result.

In the end, it was all Menzerna exclusivly including the glaze.

For non professional use, it can act in strange ways if not used with the correct pads/tools. If some remember the issues with Final Polish years ago which lead to FPII for "consumer type" use and other formulations from Menzerna for hobby use. Such as the Blackfire SRF polish which is licensed from Menzerna. More geared to hobby use and not so much pro use.

In any event, there are other polishes out there and so far none has impressed me as much as Menzerna has. German engineering does have an advantage in abrasive technology!

Maybe one day Menzerna will offer "Webinars" and other trade specific training for both pro and hobby use. Until this happens, it's still trial and error on learning the product just like any other product.

Regards,
Deanski

[Deanski]

This also reminds me of when I was taking delivery of the Porsche.

The dealers detailing crew are highly trained by 3M and do know their stuff as to minor correction. I've seen them work and how they take the time for proper finishing.

I dropped off a bottle of PO85RD for them to use on the car. When I went to see how it was going, they didn't like it and claimed it cut too much. OK, let's see what happened.

What I found was they were using the wrong pad and speed on a rotary. I then asked if I can show them the proper use of it while in their shop, which they agreed.

Once they viewed and had the chance to use it on my car, they were amazed at the results, and it did take some re-learning that 3M has burned into the minds of these guys.

They have to hide the Menzerna whenever 3M comes to visit, but still have some left over and use it very sparingly whenever they want to bring up a finish instead of using glaze.

So it goes to show that even highly trained techs can still have an issue with this product.

Deanski

[rydawg]

Originally Posted by Deanski

So it goes to show that even highly trained techs can still have an issue with this product.

Deanski

You said it the best!!! I have lots of pros calling, emailing, pm'ing me and I tell them all the time that every product has a different technique, whether it is speed, product amount, correct pad, etc... Sometimes the littlest thing can be overlooked.

It's not just Menzerna, it's EVERY product out there.

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Deanski

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So it goes to show that even highly trained techs can still have an issue with this product.

Deanski

Interesting.

As I said in the original post, I found SIP to be quite easy to use with a 5.5 inch low profile orange pad on a PC. I didn't have any issues with the polish breaking down, and the working time seemed just right.

[White lexus 23]

sip is truly amazing on black cars.