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Old 11-21-08, 07:40   #221 (permalink)
Len_A
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Re: Should the government bail-out include domestic automakers?

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Hey, the government is the answer for every problem you have. Didn't you know that? Well, time to get with it friend, cause we're all going socialist just as soon as possible. See, it takes something called personal responsiblity, and the belief that we're a great nation because of the people not the government and those are two things not even considered these days. Read a little history, did the feds bail out San Francisco after the earthquake that leveled the place back 100 years ago? Hell no, or Chicago after the fire - nope. See back then, we weren't a nation in want of assisted living. Ya'll may think ol JB is going to get political - but I'm not, we're in the mess we're in because of too much government - from both parties. Don't ya'll get it? Just like the labor unions got those great pension plans and perks - worked good till the cash cow starved didn't it - so too will Social Security end up sucking wind if something isn't done. When you have a government that stays in power by buying the votes of the dumb masses at the expense of business and free enterprise - you're doomed to end up like other socialist countries that consider our poverty level as their middle class.

Len - I feel for you, if I lost my job, I'd be pretty pissed off, but I would go out and get something even if it was at Wal Mart or changing oil at the Jiffy Lube. But that's just me, I got it from my Dad, he retired from the Traveler's, then worked 6 days a week at a local hardware store for a few years then worked 4-5 days a week at a liquor store before finally calling it quits at the tender age of 75.

The automakers don't need a bail-out or a loan, they and other corporations need to have government off their backs and out of their business. I wish somebody could show me just where in the US Constitution - the government has the right to tell you how to run your business. Ya'll we need to realize this even though we're heading up sh!t creek with no paddles.
I spent two hours at the closest shopping mall to my home, just to apply for Christmas shopping help. Macy's, Penney's Sears, Radio Shack. Zip calls. Nada. And I was in line filling out applications with an experienced, degreed chemical engineer.

I'm going to try and avoid both anger and sarcasm, but it gets a bit hard when people assume that because you didn't find something, that you aren't considering everything. It's a real bad assumption. I've tried EVERYTHING. Managers at three Home Depots, whom I've applied at least five times with, told me that locally in the Detroit area, they're getting 700 applications for every opening. Lowe's told me 500. Those numbers are exactly what the stores told me. And the Detroit Free Press and The Detroit News. That's how high unemployment is in Michigan - over 9% according to the U.S. Department of Labor. 9.3% to be exact. That's almost one of every ten people. Do you read that?

My consulting I've done on the side completely dried up. Graphic Design/Desktop Publishing/Web Site development - history. Detailing - lost those customers to. About 120 houses in my subdivision - all custom built, no spec homes, from 1996 to 1998, $190,000 to $215,000 range. Six foreclosed on in the last ten months, and the homeowners association just raised our annual dues. My $212,500 brick ranch, moved in ten years ago with a 20% down, 30 year fixed rate mortgage - worth today, because of the foreclosed homes, $165,000.

So please, don't tell me about taking a job at Wal Mart or Jiffy Lube. There aren't any, and when they see my twenty-five year professional background, they tell me "no way, 'cause you'll leave if something better comes along." And now my wife's paralegal job is threatened.
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